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He got called out for making a dodgy call; it was by a lot of people, which can't have been nice but does is this not part of the job? I honestly don't know, I'

by m0a0t0 13y ago

He got called out for making a dodgy call; it was by a lot of people, which can't have been nice but does is this not part of the job? I honestly don't know, I've never been in that position. I get the feeling (and please tell me if I'm reading too much into this) that you take exception to the pull request and what many people would call political correctness.

VikingCoder 13y ago
Have you actually read his response? https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568172 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568... I don't think it was a dodgy call. I think people went unforgivably ape-shit, gained effectively nothing, and made someone else feel bad enough that they stopped contributing to an important project.
- m0a0t0 13y ago
  I did, thanks very much for asking. Originally however he called it "trivial" which gives a bad impression. Furthermore I think generally you shouldn't say that any contribution is "more trouble than it's worse" because that stops a tonne of people being part of the open source community. > I think people went unforgivably ape-shit I'm not sure people went "ape-shit". There was a lot of discussion but it was generally polite, a lot more so than the normal internet discussion. >they stopped contributing to an important project That's a shame
  - Zikes 13y ago
    > There was a lot of discussion but it was generally polite Except where everyone called for him to be fired, and publicly slandered and demonized him on Twitter, github, HN, and in blogs. But apart from that, yes, a model of civility.
    - m0a0t0 13y ago
      Hence the word "generally". That was a vocal minority, on the comments linked at least. The person who did it got called out from people on both sides. I can't comment on the rest of the places.
      - nthrow 13y ago
        I'm not sure if Joyent's blog, which characterized him as an "asshole", would qualify as a minority voice.
  - vacri 13y ago
    There was a lot of discussion but it was generally polite There was an announcement from the node people saying that had he been an employee, he would have been fired on the spot. Not retrained, mediated, facilitated or whatever. Nothing inclusive, just 'put a foot wrong, bam, fired'. There was no profanity, but it was a pretty offensive and poorly-thought out response from Joyent, a professional entity. It was a terribly-managed situation, and while I certainly think his commit refusal was wrong, after a comment like that (the subtext is 'i personally hate this guy, froth froth froth'), I can't blame the guy for leaving.
- logjam 13y ago
  Have YOU read any of the rest of the thread? The initial request was entirely reasonable. The maintainer in question himself indicates later that the request should have been honored....but he does so only after his erroneous judgment and reasoning (if you can call it that) has to be repeatedly pointed out to him. Then his "response" smacks of nothing more than after-the-fact attempted rationalization for his behavior, followed by just...petulance. If he worked for me, he'd have been fired. He's the only one who went "ape-shit".
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sliverstorm 13y ago
I wonder if there was more to it than "he felt bad". I wonder if there was pressure from his employer or the community (you know, death threats, million hate emails, etc)
Dewie 13y ago
> I get the feeling (and please tell me if I'm reading too much into this) that you take exception to the pull request and what many people would call political correctness. Not the grandparent, but I don't take objection to things like gender-neutral pronouns (I try to do it myself if I can incorporate it in a way that doesn't make the sentence feel weird). I don't know how easy it is for someone in his position to merge things on Github, how important following protocol is etc... But what leaves a bad taste in my mouth is when someone does something that can be interpreted in a malicious manner, someone interprets in that (worst kind of) manner, and then dozens of people fuel the fire with "I am outraged, too!!!" without adding anything more to the issue or debate. Then by the time the 'offending party' gets around to respond, the damage has already been done, the slander has already spread like a wildfire, and everyone has already made up their mind about what went down based mostly on wild speculations from third parties from one or the other (or third) sides.

by m0a0t0 13y ago

VikingCoder 13y ago

Have you actually read his response? https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568172 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568... I don't think it was a dodgy call. I think people went unforgivably ape-shit, gained effectively nothing, and made someone else feel bad enough that they stopped contributing to an important project.

m0a0t0 13y ago
I did, thanks very much for asking. Originally however he called it "trivial" which gives a bad impression. Furthermore I think generally you shouldn't say that any contribution is "more trouble than it's worse" because that stops a tonne of people being part of the open source community. > I think people went unforgivably ape-shit I'm not sure people went "ape-shit". There was a lot of discussion but it was generally polite, a lot more so than the normal internet discussion. >they stopped contributing to an important project That's a shame
- Zikes 13y ago
  > There was a lot of discussion but it was generally polite Except where everyone called for him to be fired, and publicly slandered and demonized him on Twitter, github, HN, and in blogs. But apart from that, yes, a model of civility.
  - m0a0t0 13y ago
    Hence the word "generally". That was a vocal minority, on the comments linked at least. The person who did it got called out from people on both sides. I can't comment on the rest of the places.
    - nthrow 13y ago
      I'm not sure if Joyent's blog, which characterized him as an "asshole", would qualify as a minority voice.
- vacri 13y ago
  There was a lot of discussion but it was generally polite There was an announcement from the node people saying that had he been an employee, he would have been fired on the spot. Not retrained, mediated, facilitated or whatever. Nothing inclusive, just 'put a foot wrong, bam, fired'. There was no profanity, but it was a pretty offensive and poorly-thought out response from Joyent, a professional entity. It was a terribly-managed situation, and while I certainly think his commit refusal was wrong, after a comment like that (the subtext is 'i personally hate this guy, froth froth froth'), I can't blame the guy for leaving.
logjam 13y ago
Have YOU read any of the rest of the thread? The initial request was entirely reasonable. The maintainer in question himself indicates later that the request should have been honored....but he does so only after his erroneous judgment and reasoning (if you can call it that) has to be repeatedly pointed out to him. Then his "response" smacks of nothing more than after-the-fact attempted rationalization for his behavior, followed by just...petulance. If he worked for me, he'd have been fired. He's the only one who went "ape-shit".
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sliverstorm 13y ago

I wonder if there was more to it than "he felt bad". I wonder if there was pressure from his employer or the community (you know, death threats, million hate emails, etc)

Dewie 13y ago

> I get the feeling (and please tell me if I'm reading too much into this) that you take exception to the pull request and what many people would call political correctness. Not the grandparent, but I don't take objection to things like gender-neutral pronouns (I try to do it myself if I can incorporate it in a way that doesn't make the sentence feel weird). I don't know how easy it is for someone in his position to merge things on Github, how important following protocol is etc... But what leaves a bad taste in my mouth is when someone does something that can be interpreted in a malicious manner, someone interprets in that (worst kind of) manner, and then dozens of people fuel the fire with "I am outraged, too!!!" without adding anything more to the issue or debate. Then by the time the 'offending party' gets around to respond, the damage has already been done, the slander has already spread like a wildfire, and everyone has already made up their mind about what went down based mostly on wild speculations from third parties from one or the other (or third) sides.