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Cool, let's bomb their women and children, blow up their weddings and funerals, and then let's hack their computers because they don't "trust" us.

by mkaziz 13y ago

abduhl 13y ago
As long as we are appealing to emotion here, let's not forget that Saudis composed nearly 80% of the 9/11 hijackers that killed our women and children and blew up our workplaces. Saudi Arabia has done little to engender trust.
- ItendToDisagree 13y ago
  And yet we have pursued no actions against Saudi Arabia... I wonder if they have something we really need that is stopping us from declaring faceless or outright war on them?
  - mkaziz 13y ago
    Black gold.
    - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
      Texas Tea.
- loup-vaillant 13y ago
  Let's count. On the one hand, put every non-US citizen killed by the US. On the other hand, put every US citizen killed by all other countries and terrorists combined. Guess which number is vastly bigger than the other. 5-10 thousand dead in 9/11? That's peanuts, compared to the disproportionate responses that ensued. (I'm not saying it's peanuts in an absolute sense. It's still a tragedy, of course. Any death is.)
  - abduhl 13y ago
    Yes, let's. You take care of the non-US citizen part and I'll give you a low-ball for the US citizens killed by other countries number. If we use this handy wikipedia page shown below we can see that US military casualties are at a touch over 1.3 million. Let me know when you're done being facetious and/or have an answer for your number of non-US citizens killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualti...
    - loganu 13y ago
      That's 1.3 million since 1775. In the last 50 years, we're around 7 thousand.
      - mkaziz 13y ago
        In Iraq alone >10x that number have been killed since the invasion.
        loganu 13y ago
        I was referring to American numbers, as sourced in the Wiki article above. 10x that number in Iraqi/ Afghani numbers? Sure, I'd buy that.
        loup-vaillant 13y ago
        From my point of view, it was clear your comment and the GP both supported my insinuation that the US has killed far more people than it has lost.
- mkaziz 13y ago
  And that makes us better than the terrorists, how? 9/11 was an atrocity, no doubt, but people in Yemen and Pakistan live through the same atrocities daily. You know when the US government tells you it's killing enemy combatants in Pakistan via drone attacks? What they don't tell you is they define any combatants as men aged 18-40 in that region.
  - pekk 13y ago
    They would be the same atrocities if the US was intentionally targeting buildings with 5000 civilians in them just to make a point.
    - mkaziz 13y ago
      targeting a wedding because some attendant guest may have terrorist links sounds pretty similar to me.
- polymatter 13y ago
  The Saudi Arabian government didn't (as far as I know) sponsor or train the 9/11 hijackers. I also don't see how they were really furthering Saudi interests either.
Dewie 13y ago
> Cool, let's bomb their women and children, Presumably better than bombing the men.
rayiner 13y ago
We don't do those things because they don't trust us. We do those things because they are a threat that need to be contained and ideally mitigated. Pakistan is a nuclear power, and Saudi Arabia is incredibly wealthy, and both are quite hostile towards us regardless of certain feigned diplomacy.
trodoon 13y ago
>women and children I guess bombing men is okay for you?

Cool, let's bomb their women and children, blow up their weddings and funerals, and then let's hack their computers because they don't "trust" us.

by mkaziz 13y ago

Cool, let's bomb their women and children, blow up their weddings and funerals, and then let's hack their computers because they don't "trust" us.

abduhl 13y ago

As long as we are appealing to emotion here, let's not forget that Saudis composed nearly 80% of the 9/11 hijackers that killed our women and children and blew up our workplaces. Saudi Arabia has done little to engender trust.

ItendToDisagree 13y ago
And yet we have pursued no actions against Saudi Arabia... I wonder if they have something we really need that is stopping us from declaring faceless or outright war on them?
- mkaziz 13y ago
  Black gold.
  - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
    Texas Tea.
loup-vaillant 13y ago
Let's count. On the one hand, put every non-US citizen killed by the US. On the other hand, put every US citizen killed by all other countries and terrorists combined. Guess which number is vastly bigger than the other. 5-10 thousand dead in 9/11? That's peanuts, compared to the disproportionate responses that ensued. (I'm not saying it's peanuts in an absolute sense. It's still a tragedy, of course. Any death is.)
- abduhl 13y ago
  Yes, let's. You take care of the non-US citizen part and I'll give you a low-ball for the US citizens killed by other countries number. If we use this handy wikipedia page shown below we can see that US military casualties are at a touch over 1.3 million. Let me know when you're done being facetious and/or have an answer for your number of non-US citizens killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualti...
  - loganu 13y ago
    That's 1.3 million since 1775. In the last 50 years, we're around 7 thousand.
    - mkaziz 13y ago
      In Iraq alone >10x that number have been killed since the invasion.
      - loganu 13y ago
        I was referring to American numbers, as sourced in the Wiki article above. 10x that number in Iraqi/ Afghani numbers? Sure, I'd buy that.
        loup-vaillant 13y ago
        From my point of view, it was clear your comment and the GP both supported my insinuation that the US has killed far more people than it has lost.
mkaziz 13y ago
And that makes us better than the terrorists, how? 9/11 was an atrocity, no doubt, but people in Yemen and Pakistan live through the same atrocities daily. You know when the US government tells you it's killing enemy combatants in Pakistan via drone attacks? What they don't tell you is they define any combatants as men aged 18-40 in that region.
- pekk 13y ago
  They would be the same atrocities if the US was intentionally targeting buildings with 5000 civilians in them just to make a point.
  - mkaziz 13y ago
    targeting a wedding because some attendant guest may have terrorist links sounds pretty similar to me.
polymatter 13y ago
The Saudi Arabian government didn't (as far as I know) sponsor or train the 9/11 hijackers. I also don't see how they were really furthering Saudi interests either.

Dewie 13y ago

> Cool, let's bomb their women and children, Presumably better than bombing the men.

rayiner 13y ago

We don't do those things because they don't trust us. We do those things because they are a threat that need to be contained and ideally mitigated. Pakistan is a nuclear power, and Saudi Arabia is incredibly wealthy, and both are quite hostile towards us regardless of certain feigned diplomacy.

trodoon 13y ago

>women and children I guess bombing men is okay for you?