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Complexity of FreeBSD VFS using ZFS as an example

101 points by cpswan 13y ago

lewq 13y ago
Happy to take any questions :-)
- jeffreyparker 13y ago
  As a very happy ZFS on FreeBSD user, thank you for all of your work!
  - lewq 13y ago
    On behalf of Andriy and the rest of the FreeBSD/ZFS community, you're welcome! :)
- andyjpb 13y ago
  Have you read the VFS Chapter in Beautiful Code?
  - lewq 13y ago
    Not yet! :)
  - agapon 13y ago
    Thank you for pointing out that book! It looks like it has a very good description of how C and generated code are used for object-oriented implemetation of VFS. Plain C is not immediately useful for object-oriented programming. The goal of my blog post series is to describe how VFS works on a higher level.
- olavgg 13y ago
  I'm also a very happy ZFS user on FreeBSD. I've tried to use it in a lot of crazy ways. At the moment I'm researching if ZFS and a virtual machine running Microsoft SQL Server can improve query performance(with LZ4/GZIP compression) and improve the backup speed. Though I'm wondering about if there are any plans to add XZ compression? Or faster hashing with Siphash24 for data checksums?
  - Scaevolus 13y ago
    LZMA compression (used in the xz format) is much slower than the disk interface and uses a lot of memory, so it would reduce performance.
  - Scaevolus 13y ago
    LZMA compression (used in the xz format) is much slower than the disk interface and uses a lot of memory, so it would reduce performance.
  - patrickg_zill 13y ago
    Improving the backup speed should be as easy as quiescing the database, taking a ZFS snapshot after you are sure everything is written to disk, then backing up that snapshot.
kieransimkin 13y ago
Interesting to see some technical details of FreeBSD's VFS layer, I've never delved too deeply into it myself but I have looked at Linux's so it's not completely unfamiliar to me.
- agapon 13y ago
  I haven't had a chance yet to examine Linux VFS in details, so at the moment I can only talk about Solaris and FreeBSD ones.
jfb 13y ago
This was very interesting, thanks. Sorta-OT, I wonder if there's a modern equivalent of Vahalia's Unix Internals: The New Frontiers [1]? [1] http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/337378.UNIX_Internals http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/337378.UNIX_Internals
- agapon 13y ago
  Not exactly the same thing but I found the following books quite useful for understanding how a lot of kernle code works: - The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System - Solaris Internals: Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris Kernel Architecture Still, nothing beats reading the source code :-)
angersock 13y ago
The article mentions illumos--has anybody got any experiences to share with using that instead of BSD or nix?
- doughj3 13y ago
  Illumos is nix. Per wikipedia, "Illumos is a free and open-source Unix operating system. It derives from OpenSolaris, which in turn derives from UNIX System V R4 and Berkeley Software Distribution. " When Oracle killed off OpenSolaris, Illumos came about.

101 points by cpswan 13y ago

lewq 13y ago

Happy to take any questions :-)

jeffreyparker 13y ago
As a very happy ZFS on FreeBSD user, thank you for all of your work!
- lewq 13y ago
  On behalf of Andriy and the rest of the FreeBSD/ZFS community, you're welcome! :)
andyjpb 13y ago
Have you read the VFS Chapter in Beautiful Code?
- lewq 13y ago
  Not yet! :)
- agapon 13y ago
  Thank you for pointing out that book! It looks like it has a very good description of how C and generated code are used for object-oriented implemetation of VFS. Plain C is not immediately useful for object-oriented programming. The goal of my blog post series is to describe how VFS works on a higher level.
olavgg 13y ago
I'm also a very happy ZFS user on FreeBSD. I've tried to use it in a lot of crazy ways. At the moment I'm researching if ZFS and a virtual machine running Microsoft SQL Server can improve query performance(with LZ4/GZIP compression) and improve the backup speed. Though I'm wondering about if there are any plans to add XZ compression? Or faster hashing with Siphash24 for data checksums?
- Scaevolus 13y ago
  LZMA compression (used in the xz format) is much slower than the disk interface and uses a lot of memory, so it would reduce performance.
- Scaevolus 13y ago
  LZMA compression (used in the xz format) is much slower than the disk interface and uses a lot of memory, so it would reduce performance.
- patrickg_zill 13y ago
  Improving the backup speed should be as easy as quiescing the database, taking a ZFS snapshot after you are sure everything is written to disk, then backing up that snapshot.

kieransimkin 13y ago

Interesting to see some technical details of FreeBSD's VFS layer, I've never delved too deeply into it myself but I have looked at Linux's so it's not completely unfamiliar to me.

agapon 13y ago
I haven't had a chance yet to examine Linux VFS in details, so at the moment I can only talk about Solaris and FreeBSD ones.

jfb 13y ago

This was very interesting, thanks. Sorta-OT, I wonder if there's a modern equivalent of Vahalia's Unix Internals: The New Frontiers [1]? [1] http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/337378.UNIX_Internals http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/337378.UNIX_Internals

agapon 13y ago
Not exactly the same thing but I found the following books quite useful for understanding how a lot of kernle code works: - The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System - Solaris Internals: Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris Kernel Architecture Still, nothing beats reading the source code :-)

angersock 13y ago

The article mentions illumos--has anybody got any experiences to share with using that instead of BSD or nix?

doughj3 13y ago
Illumos is nix. Per wikipedia, "Illumos is a free and open-source Unix operating system. It derives from OpenSolaris, which in turn derives from UNIX System V R4 and Berkeley Software Distribution. " When Oracle killed off OpenSolaris, Illumos came about.