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From the looks of AMD, Moore's law hasn't just ended it's reversed: CPUs are getting worse every year. I bought a Thuban Phenom II X4 and an hd5750 about five
by elipsey 13y ago
From the looks of AMD, Moore's law hasn't just ended it's reversed: CPUs are getting worse every year.
I bought a Thuban Phenom II X4 and an hd5750 about five years ago. If I had known then that AMD would refuse ever again to sell me a CPU with IPC that good, I would have sprung for an X6. In other words AMD can't compete with it's own 5 year old products. An 1100T now sells for more on ebay than a new Vishera; apparently the market has decided that it's more valuable.
Anand's reviewers (Cutress and Garg) almost admit as much, saying "Kaveri is just another iteration of AMD’s APU line up that focuses purely on the integrated graphics side of things, while slowly improving the CPU side back to Thuban levels of performance."
It seems like Kaveri, and AMDs previous APUs in general, are perversely configured so that they don't make sense for any usage case.
--The marketing pushes desktop gaming, but it's worse than most low end GPUs (and old GPUs too).
--It's not an upgrade to my five year old desktop CPU. It's probably worse at lightly threaded performance then similarly priced intel products which are, curiously, not included in this review...
--Apparently most mobile Kaveri will have a 35 watt TDP. If it's turns out like mobile Richland, you'll be lucky to find one anyway. There are 1597 laptops on newegg right now, 9 have high end A10s, and they are all huge.
If they die shrunk Thuban, I would buy it. If they put more cores on Kaveri, I would buy that. If someone would put an A10 in a laptop that wasn't a huge, cheap, POS, I might even buy that. But so far they won't.
So who is this for?
Mobile might be appealing if we care more about gaming than work or battery life, but at this point it's not clear how available it will be. As a programmer, I like the idea of unified memory but that's not a selling point for customers. A friend of mine has a laptop with a recent APU, and she just figured out that it's too slow for minecraft. Telling her about hUMA did not make the sad face go away, true story.
The only place APUs looks good is for desktop gamers who don't have a desktop already, and can't afford better, even by a few measly bucks. I'm not even sure that they wouldn't be better off with a Haswell Pentium and and $50 GPU for the same price, but Anandtech won't tell us...
Did no one else notice that Anandtech's review is posted in the site's "AMD Center", and is "presented by AMD"? I call shenanigans. And people in this thread are calling Anandtech one of the best hardware sites on the the net... Now I'm depressed.
- kayoone 13y agoi hear you..i still own a phenom X4 3.4Ghz and will just purchase a $150 GPU to replace the old HD5000 series and it will be much much faster than any of those APUs for the same price.