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US gives FU to Germany with the lack of a no-spy treaty. Germany should respond by giving asylum to Snowden.
by robrenaud 13y ago
US gives FU to Germany with the lack of a no-spy treaty.
Germany should respond by giving asylum to Snowden.
- rjzzleep 13y agogermany is hardly a sovereign country anymore. they couldn't do so even if they wanted to. disclaimer: i grew up there
- ckoepp 13y agoOf course you have sources for this statement, right? By the way - this is exactly the argumentation neo-Nazi parties parties proclaim all the time [1]. You must be in lack of any information about what is going on in European and German politics to state stuff like this... [1] http://npd-fraktion-sachsen.de/index.php?s=111&aid=6373 http://npd-fraktion-sachsen.de/index.php?s=111&aid=6373
- daniel-cussen 13y ago> By the way - this is exactly the argumentation neo-Nazi parties parties proclaim all the time [1]. You must be in lack of any information about what is going on in European and German politics to state stuff like this... It doesn't matter who says it or why. Germany, for better or worse, has little or no sovereignty. I don't know of any historical countries with 50,000 foreign soldiers in them that were not vassals, let alone sovereigns.
- brazzy 13y agoYou don't know a lot then...
- brazzy 13y agoThat's just ideological right-wing bullshit. Presumably you're referring to the EU, but while there are efforts to harmonize EU asylum laws, it would be hard to find a more incorrect statement about them than that they would not allow a country to grant asylum to someone if it wants to. Besides, no EU regulation is ever going to get passed that the German government doesn't want to.
- PythonicAlpha 13y agoOf course, giving asylum to Snowden would definitively give a signal to Washington, but I would not advice Snowden to go to Germany. With the current situation in Germany, Snowden would be dead or in a plane to Guantanamo in very little time. And I guess, even the German BND (comparable to the US NSA) would be helping. I would not trust any promises from a current German government -- by the way, how many US troops are in Germany? I guess, there is no count for US spies yet.
- toyg 13y agoSnowden only needs a German passport.
- PythonicAlpha 13y agoFor what, to be captured by the NSA? There was a person with a German passport years ago, he was wrongly held in Guantanamo for a while ... against all international rights. Even after they concluded, that there is no evidence against him, they still kept him for some years. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz Do you think, only because Snowden has got some German looking waste-paper, the NSA will stop hunting him down? Dream on!
- toyg 13y agoNo, but he can then legally hang around Russia or some other half-safe country without embarrassing the local government. At the moment his situation is squarely in Putin's court, which is diplomatically problematic. Should he get a new valid passport from any other country, Putin could wash his hands of it and let him stay without looking too adversarial.
- PythonicAlpha 13y agoPossible. But most people understand by asylum, that he comes to Germany. I hope, you don't want to unembarrass Putin ;)