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> I'm okay with DRM It seems really defeatist to say this. You are a consumer. You have the ultimate vote on everything, with your wallet, with the only except

by zanny 13y ago

> I'm okay with DRM It seems really defeatist to say this. You are a consumer. You have the ultimate vote on everything, with your wallet, with the only exceptions really being what you need to survive and whatever your government takes. And I don't think netflix is on par with eating. My problem is I have no idea what to do about the w3c. I'd really like to know what alternative network protocols for document rendering there are, because they are destroying the platform they are supposed to advance, community backlash be damned, they got bought off. I'm definitely looking into ways to get qml into browsers, though. I think qtquick apps as remote resources would be amazing, because they would be actual apps, not documents with scripts running on them.

duncan_bayne 13y ago
I've been hacking around with 'websites as Racket' ... the idea that you could use Racket's documentation format for, well, documents, and the Racket GUI for everything else. Much the same idea, just Scheme instead of QT. But I don't think it's too late for the W3C. I don't think they've been bought out in the strictest sense; rather, I think they've been subject to some very effective lobbying that has proved most persuasive ( a.k.a. 'crisis of representation; see http://boingboing.net/2013/06/06/w3c-insider-explains-whats-w.html http://boingboing.net/2013/06/06/w3c-insider-explains-whats-... ).
girvo 13y ago
I'll be honest, I can say that I don't mind it as I rarely consume media that we're discussing. If I do, it's one show rented on my Apple TV, and that's it, maybe once every six months.
- duncan_bayne 13y ago
  If you don't frequently consume those media, then you should be doubly angry that the W3C might harm the Open Web to support it.
- zobzu 13y ago
  Well, this very push for DRM on the web is to change exactly that. It's to force you to use DRM-only content. So - yeah.
fishy929 13y ago
> My problem is I have no idea what to do about the w3c. If the W3C disappeared tomorrow, the world would be fine. (Similarly, the weather channel is not an essential service, planes can still attain flight without the TSA, and there is still life outside of the panopticon's walls...) The W3C served a useful role a few decades ago when it focused on codifying historical standards that resulted from the early exponential growth but, like many others who took the minutes in important situations, they now seem to think they are "leaders." But documenting historical growth doesn't mean you are suddenly a source of good ideas; leading isn't something you say you will do, it's something others say you did. I propose that everyone simply ignore the W3C whenever it's useful. If only ignoring the TSA, the NSA, and corporate managers were as easy.
- duncan_bayne 13y ago
  Remember that ignoring copyright 'protection' methods is in fact every bit as illegal as ignoring the TSA and the NSA (at least, in most countries). This stuff matters.
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by zanny 13y ago

duncan_bayne 13y ago

I've been hacking around with 'websites as Racket' ... the idea that you could use Racket's documentation format for, well, documents, and the Racket GUI for everything else. Much the same idea, just Scheme instead of QT. But I don't think it's too late for the W3C. I don't think they've been bought out in the strictest sense; rather, I think they've been subject to some very effective lobbying that has proved most persuasive ( a.k.a. 'crisis of representation; see http://boingboing.net/2013/06/06/w3c-insider-explains-whats-w.html http://boingboing.net/2013/06/06/w3c-insider-explains-whats-... ).

girvo 13y ago

I'll be honest, I can say that I don't mind it as I rarely consume media that we're discussing. If I do, it's one show rented on my Apple TV, and that's it, maybe once every six months.

duncan_bayne 13y ago
If you don't frequently consume those media, then you should be doubly angry that the W3C might harm the Open Web to support it.
zobzu 13y ago
Well, this very push for DRM on the web is to change exactly that. It's to force you to use DRM-only content. So - yeah.

fishy929 13y ago

> My problem is I have no idea what to do about the w3c. If the W3C disappeared tomorrow, the world would be fine. (Similarly, the weather channel is not an essential service, planes can still attain flight without the TSA, and there is still life outside of the panopticon's walls...) The W3C served a useful role a few decades ago when it focused on codifying historical standards that resulted from the early exponential growth but, like many others who took the minutes in important situations, they now seem to think they are "leaders." But documenting historical growth doesn't mean you are suddenly a source of good ideas; leading isn't something you say you will do, it's something others say you did. I propose that everyone simply ignore the W3C whenever it's useful. If only ignoring the TSA, the NSA, and corporate managers were as easy.

duncan_bayne 13y ago
Remember that ignoring copyright 'protection' methods is in fact every bit as illegal as ignoring the TSA and the NSA (at least, in most countries). This stuff matters.

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