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Had Apple bought nest, you'd have to log into your icloud account to manage it, via your idevice, with no other management abilities available. Apple is absolut

Had Apple bought nest, you'd have to log into your icloud account to manage it, via your idevice, with no other management abilities available. Apple is absolutely horrible at playing well with others.

nostromo 13y ago
I'm ok with that. My issue with Google isn't Single-Sign-On, it's forcing every product into a social-network mold. Although I'm a happy user of Facebook and Twitter, I think SV's social obsession has largely been fruitless. Social does not improve most products and can actually harm them. And now I'm worrying about how "social" is going to be slapped on to my fire alarm.
- olalonde 13y ago
  Can't you create a Google Plus account without adding any friends so that it's only used a Single-Sign-On?
  - username223 13y ago
    You can almost certainly do this... until you annoy them, and they pull some "real name TOS" BS on you and disable your thermostat until you send them a scan of your driver's license.
- Sanddancer 13y ago
  You missed my point. If apple controlled nest, you'd almost certainly only get notifications if you were using an idevice of some sort. Apple's terrible about working with others to create industry standards; the AppleTV for example would be a lot more useful if it used DLNA for streaming instead of Apple's proprietary format.
  - ilyanep 13y ago
    I think you're missing his/her point. The problem nostromo has is not proprietary formats but social networks. I think the worry is updates like "John Doe turned the temperature in his house to 75!" (and while that fear is overstated, it's not unreasonable to not want products that can detect the presence of humans in your bedroom connected to social networks).
    - psbp 13y ago
      Google+ doesn't really have to be a social network. There's nothing social about my use of G+, and I use it pretty frequently.
enraged_camel 13y ago
I like that we all have a wonderful opportunity to bash Google, and you turn this around and bash Apple instead. Tsk tsk...
- Sanddancer 13y ago
  He asked wistfully what would happen if Apple had bought it. I answered that pretty much all the big players are motherfuckers that want you to do everything in their sandbox. Now, you may consider Apple's motherfuckery to be more acceptable than Google's, but they still engage in serious acts of motherfuckery.
eddieroger 13y ago
With the exception of using iCloud, this is already how I manage my Nest. So?
- 6thSigma 13y ago
  Not everybody owns an idevice.

nostromo 13y ago

I'm ok with that. My issue with Google isn't Single-Sign-On, it's forcing every product into a social-network mold. Although I'm a happy user of Facebook and Twitter, I think SV's social obsession has largely been fruitless. Social does not improve most products and can actually harm them. And now I'm worrying about how "social" is going to be slapped on to my fire alarm.

olalonde 13y ago
Can't you create a Google Plus account without adding any friends so that it's only used a Single-Sign-On?
- username223 13y ago
  You can almost certainly do this... until you annoy them, and they pull some "real name TOS" BS on you and disable your thermostat until you send them a scan of your driver's license.
Sanddancer 13y ago
You missed my point. If apple controlled nest, you'd almost certainly only get notifications if you were using an idevice of some sort. Apple's terrible about working with others to create industry standards; the AppleTV for example would be a lot more useful if it used DLNA for streaming instead of Apple's proprietary format.
- ilyanep 13y ago
  I think you're missing his/her point. The problem nostromo has is not proprietary formats but social networks. I think the worry is updates like "John Doe turned the temperature in his house to 75!" (and while that fear is overstated, it's not unreasonable to not want products that can detect the presence of humans in your bedroom connected to social networks).
  - psbp 13y ago
    Google+ doesn't really have to be a social network. There's nothing social about my use of G+, and I use it pretty frequently.

enraged_camel 13y ago

I like that we all have a wonderful opportunity to bash Google, and you turn this around and bash Apple instead. Tsk tsk...

Sanddancer 13y ago
He asked wistfully what would happen if Apple had bought it. I answered that pretty much all the big players are motherfuckers that want you to do everything in their sandbox. Now, you may consider Apple's motherfuckery to be more acceptable than Google's, but they still engage in serious acts of motherfuckery.

eddieroger 13y ago

With the exception of using iCloud, this is already how I manage my Nest. So?

6thSigma 13y ago
Not everybody owns an idevice.