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Its amazing to me that the second announcement after the acquision is all about how Google won't be privvy to your data. Seems to me that Google has completely

Its amazing to me that the second announcement after the acquision is all about how Google won't be privvy to your data. Seems to me that Google has completely lost control of the narrative. A few years ago people would be talking about how great this kind of integration would be in their lives, now its just Google+ jokes.

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vdaniuk 13y ago
I guess you shouldnt consider HN comments and Google+ jokes to be representative of general population or even elusive "techies" audience. Even more, HN is so different in comparison with HN a few years ago. However, I agree with you about Google losing the control of the narrative.
- waterlesscloud 13y ago
  Privacy related comments and jokes are what I've seen everywhere about it. Google has definitely lost control of their image.
  - Thirdegree 13y ago
    I disagree. People upset with something will always be loudest. That doesn't mean the majority of people agree with the vocal portion of the community.
- devcpp 13y ago
  Most people I know, including older persons, are annoyed by Google+. So, it's not just an HN thing. Google lost its image.
  - JosephHatfield 13y ago
    I've had three older folks just this week ask me how to permanently delete their Google+ profiles. One even insisted on deleting it even though he'd never actually gone past the initial sign-in page.
- wil421 13y ago
  You shouldn't limit the audience to HN. A few years ago we probably wouldn't be as concerned about privacy as we are now.
- mdavidn 13y ago
  Google+ has been the butt of jokes on the Daily Show since launch. If that's not "general population," then what is? http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-30-2013/jon-stewart-looks-at-floaters http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-30-2013/jon-st... http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-18-2012/moneygall---google-gets-fined http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-18-2012/moneygal... http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-31-2012/indecision-2012---pander-express---barack-obama-s-online-town-hall http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-31-2012/indeci...
  - tadfisher 13y ago
    1.5 to 2 million viewers, 56% male, 45% college-educated, 37% making over $75k, almost completely aged 18-49.
    - xionon 13y ago
      While I agree that this isn't the "general population," it seems to me that this is an incredibly important demographic to Google.
      - manicdee 13y ago
        The only population that matters: people with money, who are willing to throw it at shiny things without thinking too hard.
- hdouble 13y ago
  A look at these two videos should dispel that notion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccxiwu4MaJs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccxiwu4MaJs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq8TrA3hb4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq8TrA3hb4
BrainInAJar 13y ago
> the second announcement after the acquision is all about how Google won't be privvy to your data. For approximately as long as it takes for the AdWords team to figure out how to mine it, and then they're absolutely privy to it because that's what Google does, is harvest and aggregate your personal data in order to sell it to advertisers and the NSA
- vdaniuk 13y ago
  Google and most other tech companies never sell your personal data to advertisers. Google provides advertisers an opportunity to pay to engage Google users and get a piece of their attention on Google platforms. The actual user data as in personally identifiable user data never leaves the company servers.
  - JetSpiegel 13y ago
    Unless they transmit that data in the clear between their servers.
  - BrainInAJar 13y ago
    That's sort of irrelevant, the creepy part is that the behavioural prediction models exist at all, and are controlled by an entity whose only responsibility or duty is to generate profit
    - DominikR 13y ago
      Are you implying that we should impose bans on technological and scientific progress? Or that this progress should only be limited to state owned institutions?
      - dllthomas 13y ago
        Something can be creepy and yet have no remedy that isn't worse.
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msabalau 13y ago
Hmmm, interesting. What I observed instead was a sad paucity of useful thinking being expressed on HN. No cruel yet detailed dissections of the deal, no examination of the technological possibilities, or posts where people speculated on which competitors in which markets will be impacted. Mostly statements along the lines of "I'm sorry but I am imagining the whole article without reading it", but without even the level of self awareness that this is something to be "sorry" about.
kruipen 13y ago
I'm not sure. Google is anti-Amazon. Amazon treats its customers great and everybody else, including employees, like shit. With Google it is the opposite: the one relationship you want to be in with Google is employee-employer. And I don't know if they would protest this characterization...

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vdaniuk 13y ago

I guess you shouldnt consider HN comments and Google+ jokes to be representative of general population or even elusive "techies" audience. Even more, HN is so different in comparison with HN a few years ago. However, I agree with you about Google losing the control of the narrative.

waterlesscloud 13y ago
Privacy related comments and jokes are what I've seen everywhere about it. Google has definitely lost control of their image.
- Thirdegree 13y ago
  I disagree. People upset with something will always be loudest. That doesn't mean the majority of people agree with the vocal portion of the community.
devcpp 13y ago
Most people I know, including older persons, are annoyed by Google+. So, it's not just an HN thing. Google lost its image.
- JosephHatfield 13y ago
  I've had three older folks just this week ask me how to permanently delete their Google+ profiles. One even insisted on deleting it even though he'd never actually gone past the initial sign-in page.
wil421 13y ago
You shouldn't limit the audience to HN. A few years ago we probably wouldn't be as concerned about privacy as we are now.
mdavidn 13y ago
Google+ has been the butt of jokes on the Daily Show since launch. If that's not "general population," then what is? http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-30-2013/jon-stewart-looks-at-floaters http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-30-2013/jon-st... http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-18-2012/moneygall---google-gets-fined http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-18-2012/moneygal... http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-31-2012/indecision-2012---pander-express---barack-obama-s-online-town-hall http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-31-2012/indeci...
- tadfisher 13y ago
  1.5 to 2 million viewers, 56% male, 45% college-educated, 37% making over $75k, almost completely aged 18-49.
  - xionon 13y ago
    While I agree that this isn't the "general population," it seems to me that this is an incredibly important demographic to Google.
    - manicdee 13y ago
      The only population that matters: people with money, who are willing to throw it at shiny things without thinking too hard.
hdouble 13y ago
A look at these two videos should dispel that notion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccxiwu4MaJs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccxiwu4MaJs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq8TrA3hb4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq8TrA3hb4

BrainInAJar 13y ago

> the second announcement after the acquision is all about how Google won't be privvy to your data. For approximately as long as it takes for the AdWords team to figure out how to mine it, and then they're absolutely privy to it because that's what Google does, is harvest and aggregate your personal data in order to sell it to advertisers and the NSA

vdaniuk 13y ago
Google and most other tech companies never sell your personal data to advertisers. Google provides advertisers an opportunity to pay to engage Google users and get a piece of their attention on Google platforms. The actual user data as in personally identifiable user data never leaves the company servers.
- JetSpiegel 13y ago
  Unless they transmit that data in the clear between their servers.
- BrainInAJar 13y ago
  That's sort of irrelevant, the creepy part is that the behavioural prediction models exist at all, and are controlled by an entity whose only responsibility or duty is to generate profit
  - DominikR 13y ago
    Are you implying that we should impose bans on technological and scientific progress? Or that this progress should only be limited to state owned institutions?
    - dllthomas 13y ago
      Something can be creepy and yet have no remedy that isn't worse.
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msabalau 13y ago

Hmmm, interesting. What I observed instead was a sad paucity of useful thinking being expressed on HN. No cruel yet detailed dissections of the deal, no examination of the technological possibilities, or posts where people speculated on which competitors in which markets will be impacted. Mostly statements along the lines of "I'm sorry but I am imagining the whole article without reading it", but without even the level of self awareness that this is something to be "sorry" about.

kruipen 13y ago

I'm not sure. Google is anti-Amazon. Amazon treats its customers great and everybody else, including employees, like shit. With Google it is the opposite: the one relationship you want to be in with Google is employee-employer. And I don't know if they would protest this characterization...