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> Just because yours sucks doesn't mean it's a bad idea to begin with. I didn't say it's a bad idea because ours sucks. I said it's a bad idea because if you'r

> Just because yours sucks doesn't mean it's a bad idea to begin with. I didn't say it's a bad idea because ours sucks. I said it's a bad idea because if you're using money that's just taken from other people, you're not motivated to provide them with good service, and so on. The factors I listed cannot be escaped. You can rest assured that your system is slowly turning to shit too.

angersock 13y ago
What if your motivation is to care for other people and to provide the best service you know how to? Your model is flawed.
- whatevsbro 13y ago
  > What if your motivation is to care for other people and to provide the best service you know how to? What if you're not actually the people who run the system? Your question about some random, individual good doctors is not related to how the whole healthcare system is run and what can be expected based on it.
nwh 13y ago
If you're going to have that attitude you'd better not be using our roads, parks, public transport or indeed any other government services that have "stolen" money from you. I think you'd be a lot worse off if you decided not to pay tax and go without everything being a taxpayer entitles you to.
- programmarchy 13y ago
  Hm, that's not a very good argument. If a slave takes a meal from his master, it doesn't mean he must condone slavery.
- whatevsbro 13y ago
  > If you're going to have that attitude you'd better not be using our roads, parks, public transport or indeed any other government services that have "stolen" money from you First, taxation is not "stealing", it's literally extortion. A mafia makes it clear that if you don't pay them "protection money", they will hurt you, and governments make it clear that if we don't pay taxes, we will be forcibly hauled to jail etc. In both cases, you're making payments under the threat of violence. Taxation is extortion. Second, your argument is that I shouldn't complain about taxation because I'm using the services funded by it. This makes no sense for at least two reasons: 1) I can't not use the services, and 2) extortion is still extortion, and immoral to begin with. If McDonald's decides to extort money from you, and then rams a Big Mac down your throat "in return", does the Big Mac entering your stomach make extortion moral?
- whatevsbro 13y ago
  Oh, I forgot: > I think you'd be a lot worse off if you decided not to pay tax and go without everything being a taxpayer entitles you to. Here it's worth pointing out that I can do neither. I can't not pay taxes, and I can't not use the services provided with tax money. Also, thinking that being a taxpayer "entitles" you to something is wrong. First, you have no choice. Again, you don't choose to "be a taxpayer", and being extorted doesn't "entitle" you to anything - you're just extorted and lose money. It's not like your extorters are interested in giving you anything, they're only interested in taking from you.

angersock 13y ago

What if your motivation is to care for other people and to provide the best service you know how to? Your model is flawed.

whatevsbro 13y ago
> What if your motivation is to care for other people and to provide the best service you know how to? What if you're not actually the people who run the system? Your question about some random, individual good doctors is not related to how the whole healthcare system is run and what can be expected based on it.

nwh 13y ago

If you're going to have that attitude you'd better not be using our roads, parks, public transport or indeed any other government services that have "stolen" money from you. I think you'd be a lot worse off if you decided not to pay tax and go without everything being a taxpayer entitles you to.

programmarchy 13y ago
Hm, that's not a very good argument. If a slave takes a meal from his master, it doesn't mean he must condone slavery.
whatevsbro 13y ago
> If you're going to have that attitude you'd better not be using our roads, parks, public transport or indeed any other government services that have "stolen" money from you First, taxation is not "stealing", it's literally extortion. A mafia makes it clear that if you don't pay them "protection money", they will hurt you, and governments make it clear that if we don't pay taxes, we will be forcibly hauled to jail etc. In both cases, you're making payments under the threat of violence. Taxation is extortion. Second, your argument is that I shouldn't complain about taxation because I'm using the services funded by it. This makes no sense for at least two reasons: 1) I can't not use the services, and 2) extortion is still extortion, and immoral to begin with. If McDonald's decides to extort money from you, and then rams a Big Mac down your throat "in return", does the Big Mac entering your stomach make extortion moral?
whatevsbro 13y ago
Oh, I forgot: > I think you'd be a lot worse off if you decided not to pay tax and go without everything being a taxpayer entitles you to. Here it's worth pointing out that I can do neither. I can't not pay taxes, and I can't not use the services provided with tax money. Also, thinking that being a taxpayer "entitles" you to something is wrong. First, you have no choice. Again, you don't choose to "be a taxpayer", and being extorted doesn't "entitle" you to anything - you're just extorted and lose money. It's not like your extorters are interested in giving you anything, they're only interested in taking from you.