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Adrian and Jacob retiring as Django BDFLs
- erichurkman 13y agoThanks for all of your hard work, Adrian & Jacob.
- bkeating 13y agoThank you for Django. We still of course, hope to see you at future DjangoCons' :D > (But please, no more Django Pony. It's stupid.) Hear, hear!
- mhurron 13y agoWhat's wrong with magical ponies?
- jbeja 13y agoI think is cute.
- thezoid 13y agoThe Pony logo was awesome. I wish it would've stuck more to be honest.
- freework 13y agoI don't have a problem with the pony either, but there is another community that uses the pony, and the Django folks would rather not associate with.
- thezoid 13y agoWhat other community are you talking about? The only one that comes to mind is the My Little Pony one.
- benatkin 13y agoThere's something on the fringe of MLP fandom that is often used to discredit MLP fandom. It is really something that ought not to be brought up here, but since I think someone will, I'll try to make an oblique reference to it: Rule 34. For mainstream fans it's really quite simple. Some extremely talented adults made a children's show. People of all ages enjoy and appreciate their work.
- mhurron 13y agoIf it exists, there is porn of it. If that's the argument against it, you can't have a logo, or icon or image of anything, ever. ANYTHING. EVER. Besides rule 34 ponies isn't what is leveled against the fandom. It's the 'fact' that they're all pedophiles. Pedophiles that apparently want to broadcast this fact.
- mixmastamyk 13y agoToo girly? Maybe they could add a little machismo.
- 27182818284 13y agoNah, things just get out of style from time to time. A great example I can think of is a cooking show on YouTube that started during the height of the zombie-revival, but now it just seems awkward that zombies are part of a cooking show at all. The time passed and the style changed. Similarly, ponies might be time to go.
- mhurron 13y agoThe Django pony was created several years before the recent MLP fandom. "I want easy HTTP handling. "I want a good web framework." "I want a pony." You want Django.
- smnrchrds 13y agoI like the Pony. But it sends the wrong message. Django is absolutely not magical.
- randlet 13y agoAdrian & Jacob built a great framework, but more importantly they helped oversee the building of an awesome community and ecosystem over the last 8-9 years. Thank you both!
- kmfrk 13y agoIndeed, but I think we've come to learn that frameworks and communities don't exist in vaccums and are probably one and the same, especially speaking as someone who had to start learning it from scratch and ask people for a lot of help. It is so easy to get turned away from learning a framework, if the most visible people in the community are assholes. All in all, a nice reminder that programming and developer communities like Django are about something much bigger than slinging code and reducing performance bottlenecks - nations unto themselves. I think that'll be the biggest legacy and impact people like Jacob in particular will leave us.
- biscotti 13y agoThankyou for your hand in creating something I use every day Jacobs post: http://jacobian.org/writing/retiring-as-bdfls/ http://jacobian.org/writing/retiring-as-bdfls/
- sp332 13y agoI guess if you're self-appointed, you can also be self-un-appointed.
- thatthatis 13y agoThere's an interesting political science-ish question posed by this: Is it best to have a king first then later transition to democracy? It would seem that kings followed later by parliament has been a very successful model for django. I don't know how far this generalizes.
- unethical_ban 13y agoConsider the ratification of the current US constitution. It was debated and written in secret, ratified with no 'general public' debate on the final draft.
- dalke 13y agoThat doesn't jibe with my understanding. The Constitutional Convention began on May 25, 1787 and finished in September. It was presented to Congress (organized under the Articles of Confederation), who submitted it to vote by the States. By September 1788, 9 of the states had agreed to it, and Rhode Island was the 13th, in 1790. The Federalist Papers were written and distributed as part of the public debate, in order to sway those with anti-Federalist leanings. How is that "secret" and with no "'general public' debate"?
- baddox 13y agoDon't forget the Anti-Federalist papers, which contained complaints such as the lack of a Bill of Rights.
- unethical_ban 13y agoGeorge Washington was unanimously elected president of the Convention,[9] and it was agreed that the discussions and votes would be kept secret until the conclusion of the meeting.[3]:11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Convention_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Convention_(Uni... Though it's been a long time since I studied it, my impression was that the actual votes and internal debate of the convention were under wraps until it was complete. This example might not match as well as I thought to OP's king->democracy proposal, though.
- sneak 13y agoBDFHoweverLongWeFeelLikeIt
- viraptor 13y agoI don't think this is something to criticise really. For life really does mean as long as they can do it and have an interest in doing it. Sometimes it's really hard to let go, even if you're not involved with the project as much as you'd like to. I'm impressed when people can make that kind of decision before the lack of leadership/interest causes some issues. Same reaction as to the pope stepping down - it's much better for the community if you don't keep a position where you can't do much work.
- sneak 13y agoIf I was criticizing anything, it is the absurdity of such a title.
- craigkerstiens 13y agoHeres Jacob's comments as well - http://jacobian.org/writing/retiring-as-bdfls/ http://jacobian.org/writing/retiring-as-bdfls/
- pekk 13y agoSince no one else asked, does this pose any threat for the future of Django?
- adrianh 13y agoNope, no threat at all. Read the second-to-last paragraph of my post. -Adrian
- indiefan 13y agoYou keep on using that acronym. I do not think it means what you think it means.
- andybak 13y agoI recall many a tech conference when I got into a pickle due to asking for the 'BDSM' when I meant the 'BDFL'... Or rather - no I don't - what are you talking about?
- leephillips 13y agoI do not think you know what "acronym" means.
- andybak 13y agoA lost battle I'm afraid. Acronym in common usage now means both pronounceable (NASA, SCUBA) and spelled-out (NSA, MPAA). You gotta let these things go, sometimes.
- nwp90 13y agoI think a project that is to continue to be relevant for the long-term needs a vision, and that that comes from a leader. Once the leader is gone, the vision doesn't develop. At some point the original vision will no longer fit the changing circumstances around the project, and either a new leader and a new vision will emerge or the project will fade away (or both, if the new vision doesn't work). On the other hand, if at some point the original vision is accepted by the mainstream, the project will be successful and popular for a while, the more so if it ceases to move on and develop its vision. Then at some point the project will fade away as the Next Big Thing arrives. It's not always possible for a project born of one vision to adapt to a new reality - even if the leaders can foresee it perfectly - without starting afresh. Given that, and that the skills and personality needed to "maintain" a mainstream project are different to those needed to develop and make concrete a vision, it's good that creators move on. To me, Adrian and Jacob moving on is a sign of Django's settling into the mainstream. It'll stick around for a while, and then it will fade away. The Next Big Thing is on its way. To Adrian and Jacob - I hope you enjoy your new ventures; and thanks.
- kabisote 13y agoHow can a BDFL retire? I thought it's For Life?
- rbanffy 13y agoNow you mention it, let's make sure both are safe and don't attempt anything foolish.