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I won’t try to defend Friedman, but I believe you misunderstood what Thrun was trying to say: he is a very conceptually accurate guy, and him saying it is a bad
by bertil 13y ago
I won’t try to defend Friedman, but I believe you misunderstood what Thrun was trying to say: he is a very conceptually accurate guy, and him saying it is a bad ‘product’ doesn't mean the general concept is flawed, but that his ambition to market the whole of superior education as a video class has, with testing proven to show issues, with engagement in particular. He is far from abandoning the idea, but reacted by switching Udacity towards a for-pay, vocation certification platform.
Having the best professors use video (or radio) to openly broaden the audience of their abstract teachings is a concept that has been widely tried since, well, I’d say 1530 with the College de France, but the recordings where a bit different then — anyway: it’s the principle of almost every high-brow show. Those tend to have less of an audience than we’d like, or need considerable adaptation — but Udacity was one attempt that was remarkable in mainly one way: how little the class was adapted for anything but highly intelligent and motivated twenty-somethings with fresh brains.
Look at what Dan Ariely is doing for an great example of how to preserve the internet support and have an engagement comparable to a physical class.
- ChristianMarks 13y agoThrun's criticism was pretty general--it went beyond his product. Thrun was sufficiently critical of his own vision of education for the masses as to cast doubt on Friedman's sweeping implicature that, among all the approaches to poverty that have been and that might be tried, this technology has the greatest potential. Given the 1% retention rate, MOOCs might "unlock a billion more brains" if there were 100 billion of them to unlock.
- bertil 13y agoWith one billion brain interested, he can still train 50 million (actual retention numbers are closer to 5%) new people every semester. That’s still a lot more than the Ivy league. As to Friedman… Well, this is HN, a polite society, so let me skip that part.
- ChristianMarks 13y agoOK 50 million. Friedman still stands corrected. (Me too, but at least my percentages are within the same order of magnitude.)