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Unfortunate side-effect May be unfortunate, but it's also highly predictable. "Solving" one problem to create a much larger (longer-lasting) one has been a cor

Unfortunate side-effect May be unfortunate, but it's also highly predictable. "Solving" one problem to create a much larger (longer-lasting) one has been a cornerstone of our foreign policy.

sliverstorm 13y ago
It's one of the parts that I kind of wish would/could have been kept under wraps. Publicizing how exactly we found the guy, no matter how exactly we did it, just doesn't seem constructive!
waps 13y ago
Frankly, even if true, and they actually vaccinated the children, I'd still consider it a positive. I would also note that the taliban were against vaccination before this happened. So let's not pretend that this is the reason they're against it. It's just a reason to blame the cia. You should think of these guys as that they don't actually believe. They're not muslims. They do believe, maybe even correctly, that their power is based upon that religion. And so they wildly attack anything remotely suspected of being against it. Meanwhile they themselves rape do drugs and alcohol and worse. And they attack aid workers, since the idea that only allah can heal, that they think essential.
- joshuapants 13y ago
  Ah, yes, the no true Muslim argument
- sobkas 13y ago
  >Frankly, even if true, and they actually vaccinated the children, I'd still consider it a positive. To get hepatitis b immunity, You need to get two to three doses of vaccine. In this case children only got one. I don't think it was an effective immunization effort. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/14/cia-fake-vaccination-medecins-frontieres http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/14/cia-fake-vaccin...
  - waps 13y ago
    Even one would protect you for ~10 years. It would still have a profound positive effect. And yes, there are always better options in existence, and there is always a shortage of people wanting to pay for it.
    - sobkas 13y ago
      I tough that the first dose of HBV vaccine doesn't give protection to every vaccinated person, only roughly 30-50%? http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/data/chi31-2_vaccination-risk.shtml http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/data/chi31-2_vaccination-ri... (paragraph starting with "Administer the full 3-dose HBV vaccine") I'm interested where did you found an info about that 10years period of protection?
- mcv 13y ago
  > I would also note that the taliban were against vaccination before this happened. So let's not pretend that this is the reason they're against it They may have been against it, but now they have justification to be against it. The CIA has given them a much stronger argument to warn people not to get vaccinated: it's a front for the CIA to find and kill people. The CIA has politicized vaccination, and that was recklessly irresponsible.

Unfortunate side-effect May be unfortunate, but it's also highly predictable. "Solving" one problem to create a much larger (longer-lasting) one has been a cornerstone of our foreign policy.

sliverstorm 13y ago

It's one of the parts that I kind of wish would/could have been kept under wraps. Publicizing how exactly we found the guy, no matter how exactly we did it, just doesn't seem constructive!

waps 13y ago

Frankly, even if true, and they actually vaccinated the children, I'd still consider it a positive. I would also note that the taliban were against vaccination before this happened. So let's not pretend that this is the reason they're against it. It's just a reason to blame the cia. You should think of these guys as that they don't actually believe. They're not muslims. They do believe, maybe even correctly, that their power is based upon that religion. And so they wildly attack anything remotely suspected of being against it. Meanwhile they themselves rape do drugs and alcohol and worse. And they attack aid workers, since the idea that only allah can heal, that they think essential.

joshuapants 13y ago
Ah, yes, the no true Muslim argument
sobkas 13y ago
>Frankly, even if true, and they actually vaccinated the children, I'd still consider it a positive. To get hepatitis b immunity, You need to get two to three doses of vaccine. In this case children only got one. I don't think it was an effective immunization effort. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/14/cia-fake-vaccination-medecins-frontieres http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/14/cia-fake-vaccin...
- waps 13y ago
  Even one would protect you for ~10 years. It would still have a profound positive effect. And yes, there are always better options in existence, and there is always a shortage of people wanting to pay for it.
  - sobkas 13y ago
    I tough that the first dose of HBV vaccine doesn't give protection to every vaccinated person, only roughly 30-50%? http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/data/chi31-2_vaccination-risk.shtml http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/data/chi31-2_vaccination-ri... (paragraph starting with "Administer the full 3-dose HBV vaccine") I'm interested where did you found an info about that 10years period of protection?
mcv 13y ago
> I would also note that the taliban were against vaccination before this happened. So let's not pretend that this is the reason they're against it They may have been against it, but now they have justification to be against it. The CIA has given them a much stronger argument to warn people not to get vaccinated: it's a front for the CIA to find and kill people. The CIA has politicized vaccination, and that was recklessly irresponsible.