I really wouldn't call your first example: >I've read anonymous anecdotes of US vs UK wargames in which the last gen US fighters (pre-F22) would wipe out all o

I really wouldn't call your first example: >I've read anonymous anecdotes of US vs UK wargames in which the last gen US fighters (pre-F22) would wipe out all of the UK aircraft before being detected. Now the UK's bought into the F-35 and what a mess that's turning into.