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I'd be interested in reading those anecdotal stories as I find it pretty implausible.

by syme84 13y ago

alexeisadeski3 13y ago
They were spoken to me, by Brits. Some out of context data pulled from Wikis etc: "In January 2007, it was reported that the F-22... [amassed] a 144-to-zero kill ratio during "Northern Edge" air-to-air exercises held in Alaska, the first large-scale exercise in which the Raptor participated." ---- "I can't see the [expletive deleted] thing," said RAAF Squadron Leader Stephen Chappell, exchange F-15 pilot in the 65th Aggressor Squadron. "It won't let me put a weapons system on it, even when I can see it visually through the canopy. [Flying against the F-22] annoys the hell out of me." Lt. Col. Larry Bruce, 65th AS commander, admits flying against the Raptor is a very frustrating experience. Reluctantly, he admitted "it's humbling to fly against the F-22," - humbling, not only because of its stealth, but also its unmatched maneuverability and power. http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123041831 http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123041831 ---- Edit: And found one of F22 v Eurofighters; both are GenV fighters: Two other German officers, Col. Andreas Pfeiffer and Maj. Marco Gumbrecht, noted in the same report that the F-22′s capabilities are “overwhelming” when it comes to modern, long-range combat as the stealth fighter is designed to engage multiple enemies well-beyond the pilot’s natural field of vision – mostly while the F-22 is still out of the other plane’s range. Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they weren’t able to get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted. “But as soon as you get to the merge…” Pfeiffer said, referring to the point at which fighters engage in close-up dog fighting, “in that area, at least, the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22 in all aspects… In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22, with advantages in some aspects.” http://wallacegsmith.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/the-f-22-raptor-versus-the-eurofighter-typhoon-and-the-winner-is/ http://wallacegsmith.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/the-f-22-rapto...
- syme84 13y ago
  I really wouldn't call your first example: >I've read anonymous anecdotes of US vs UK wargames in which the last gen US fighters (pre-F22) would wipe out all of the UK aircraft before being detected. Now the UK's bought into the F-35 and what a mess that's turning into.
  - alexeisadeski3 13y ago
    Huh?

I'd be interested in reading those anecdotal stories as I find it pretty implausible.

by syme84 13y ago

I'd be interested in reading those anecdotal stories as I find it pretty implausible.

They were spoken to me, by Brits. Some out of context data pulled from Wikis etc: "In January 2007, it was reported that the F-22... [amassed] a 144-to-zero kill ratio during "Northern Edge" air-to-air exercises held in Alaska, the first large-scale exercise in which the Raptor participated." ---- "I can't see the [expletive deleted] thing," said RAAF Squadron Leader Stephen Chappell, exchange F-15 pilot in the 65th Aggressor Squadron. "It won't let me put a weapons system on it, even when I can see it visually through the canopy. [Flying against the F-22] annoys the hell out of me." Lt. Col. Larry Bruce, 65th AS commander, admits flying against the Raptor is a very frustrating experience. Reluctantly, he admitted "it's humbling to fly against the F-22," - humbling, not only because of its stealth, but also its unmatched maneuverability and power. http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123041831 http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123041831 ---- Edit: And found one of F22 v Eurofighters; both are GenV fighters: Two other German officers, Col. Andreas Pfeiffer and Maj. Marco Gumbrecht, noted in the same report that the F-22′s capabilities are “overwhelming” when it comes to modern, long-range combat as the stealth fighter is designed to engage multiple enemies well-beyond the pilot’s natural field of vision – mostly while the F-22 is still out of the other plane’s range. Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they weren’t able to get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted. “But as soon as you get to the merge…” Pfeiffer said, referring to the point at which fighters engage in close-up dog fighting, “in that area, at least, the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22 in all aspects… In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22, with advantages in some aspects.” http://wallacegsmith.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/the-f-22-raptor-versus-the-eurofighter-typhoon-and-the-winner-is/ http://wallacegsmith.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/the-f-22-rapto...

syme84 13y ago
I really wouldn't call your first example: >I've read anonymous anecdotes of US vs UK wargames in which the last gen US fighters (pre-F22) would wipe out all of the UK aircraft before being detected. Now the UK's bought into the F-35 and what a mess that's turning into.
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago
  Huh?