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I don't use a 'reducing number of restrictions' definition. That's a straw man that I was responding to. I also don't accept "history shows us" as establishing
by gress 13y ago
I don't use a 'reducing number of restrictions' definition. That's a straw man that I was responding to.
I also don't accept "history shows us" as establishing some law of nature when the history we're talking about is a couple of decades.
I think the abandoning of ecosystems can just as easily be explained by them being based on inadequate foundations, than by a mythical horde of developers somehow being prevented from working on them. Usually systems are abandoned because of a lack of economic incentive, after all the displacement you describe can only happen if proprietary development produces enhancements more efficiently than open source. Witness the failure of the Linux desktop.
I think 'greatly reducing the total options that users can effectively perform' is a statement that needs much more qualification. To me, that's a function of design, extensibility, and how much leverage a system provides, and is independent of whether the source is available or not. Extending by forking is a last resort.
Nevertheless, I do respect the hypothesis that a GPL style open system provides an important counterbalance to proprietary systems.
What I do not support is the dishonest use of language and morality to further it.
If you are using positive freedom, then there is much more to be gained through improvements in software design - e.g. along the lines of Alan Kay's FONC - to increase leverage - than through ideology.
- TuringTest 13y agoWe are talking of UNIX here. It has not been abandoned as an unsuccessful ecosystem, it has been rewritten away from the legalistic minefield that its permissive licensing allowed it to be; and that ''did'' prevent developers from freely working on it, and business from freely deploying it despite its open source origins. The history we've watched is that of Linux and GNU on the server (UNIX didn't have any strong desktop environment to begin with); and the UNIX wars span nearly 40 years, with Linux being the last half of it. I still fail to see what is it that you call dishonest use of language. If freely talking of one's perspective and goals is dishonest, then all ideologies are.
- gress 13y agoExcept that FreeBSD is just as freely deployable without the need for the GPL, so it is not the GPL that causes this property to come about. The dishonest use of language is the misappropriation of the word 'freedom', and the moralizing around what is essentially a business problem. But, if you are claiming to be an ideologue, then fair enough. In which case, I'd love to hear more about how that ideology translates into a better future economic future for software developers. To me it seems to just translate into greater dependence on powerful corporations.