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What's interesting to me is the argument that feminists have "too much time on their hands" if they are concerning themselves with submitting real gender neutra

What's interesting to me is the argument that feminists have "too much time on their hands" if they are concerning themselves with submitting real gender neutral patches that make sense (ie. not this). Compare that to the creation of "languages", fake patches, and troll accounts in order to attempt to discredit actual points made by feminists. I find the second immensely more of a "waste of time".

gte910h 13y ago
This isn't fake. They has been used for indeterminate gender since the 1800s Additionally, we already do not use a singular (thou/thee) for 2nd person anymore, only "you"
- MetaCosm 13y ago
  https://github.com/Feminist-Software-Foundation https://github.com/Feminist-Software-Foundation "feministsoftwarefoundation@loves.dicksinmyan.us"
  - codygman 13y ago
    It doesn't matter, they are being so ironic they are helping the cause of feminism ;)
    - MetaCosm 13y ago
      If you think they are helping the cause, feel free to support them. When the line between legitimate complaints and open insulting mocking is so fuzzy that a developer can't tell the difference and applies that patch out of fear, I think that is an awful thing for feminism.
      - quenlinlom 13y ago
        It also says a lot about the current state of "feminism" (whatever no-true-scotsman definition of the word might take) is with regards to the coding community. I mean, people can no longer discern if it's a troll or a sincere "feminist" any more without resorting to picking up obvious troll e-mail addresses. (And evern then, the dev of Light Table just accepted the troll pull request.)
      - codygman 13y ago
        The beautiful thing is the developer need not worry about whether or not it's a legitimate complaint or "open insulting mocking"! All the developer has to worry about is: Will this positive or negatively effect X cause[1]? Will it reduce the quality of my code? 1. I think it's pretty clear that part of making github libraries more welcoming to women is having gender neutral documentation. How would you guys like reading "if her" instead of "if his"? Well, we have the privilege of that not bothering us as much since we don't have to deal with those micro-aggressions, but hopefully you get the point!
MetaCosm 13y ago
I have to say, I support this type of thing. It is social commentary in a way. Every patch that gets merged (as this one did) that is absolutely ridiculous shines a bright light on the fact that it isn't the content of the patches that matter. If you can't tell the difference between an obvious troll with an email address "feministsoftwarefoundation@loves.dicksinmyan.us" and a ridiculous patch from a real one, I think the community needs to take a beat and think about why. Why could it be taken seriously? Why wasn't it challenged? Are we so terrified of being called a sexist that we will do insane things?
- codygman 13y ago
  I would argue that changing language to be gender neutral hardly counts as insane.
  - MetaCosm 13y ago
    They wanted song lyrics changed, they wanted libraries that are provided upstream changed (which the author has no control over). Both of those requests are insane.
    - codygman 13y ago
      They are trolls. They are disappointed that project maintainers are empathetic and merging the pull requests. What do they do? They ask for an impossible request and demand it again and again in the hopes they'll piss someone off. The aim of it all? To make all feminists look like crazy women who you just can't get along with! How does this help anti-feminists? It will inspire you to just tell your woman[1] to get in the kitchen whilst you pick the chili dog out of your neckbeard, dust curmbs off of your formidable beer gut, and submit your newest groundbreaking post to /r/theredpill. Forgive the rant, but I've seen way more sexism today than I care to see. The apologists are just as bad if not worse. 1. Because owning people is definitely ok and part of being a man
      - sleephz 13y ago

gte910h 13y ago

This isn't fake. They has been used for indeterminate gender since the 1800s Additionally, we already do not use a singular (thou/thee) for 2nd person anymore, only "you"

MetaCosm 13y ago
https://github.com/Feminist-Software-Foundation https://github.com/Feminist-Software-Foundation "feministsoftwarefoundation@loves.dicksinmyan.us"
- codygman 13y ago
  It doesn't matter, they are being so ironic they are helping the cause of feminism ;)
  - MetaCosm 13y ago
    If you think they are helping the cause, feel free to support them. When the line between legitimate complaints and open insulting mocking is so fuzzy that a developer can't tell the difference and applies that patch out of fear, I think that is an awful thing for feminism.
    - quenlinlom 13y ago
      It also says a lot about the current state of "feminism" (whatever no-true-scotsman definition of the word might take) is with regards to the coding community. I mean, people can no longer discern if it's a troll or a sincere "feminist" any more without resorting to picking up obvious troll e-mail addresses. (And evern then, the dev of Light Table just accepted the troll pull request.)
    - codygman 13y ago
      The beautiful thing is the developer need not worry about whether or not it's a legitimate complaint or "open insulting mocking"! All the developer has to worry about is: Will this positive or negatively effect X cause[1]? Will it reduce the quality of my code? 1. I think it's pretty clear that part of making github libraries more welcoming to women is having gender neutral documentation. How would you guys like reading "if her" instead of "if his"? Well, we have the privilege of that not bothering us as much since we don't have to deal with those micro-aggressions, but hopefully you get the point!

MetaCosm 13y ago

I have to say, I support this type of thing. It is social commentary in a way. Every patch that gets merged (as this one did) that is absolutely ridiculous shines a bright light on the fact that it isn't the content of the patches that matter. If you can't tell the difference between an obvious troll with an email address "feministsoftwarefoundation@loves.dicksinmyan.us" and a ridiculous patch from a real one, I think the community needs to take a beat and think about why. Why could it be taken seriously? Why wasn't it challenged? Are we so terrified of being called a sexist that we will do insane things?

codygman 13y ago
I would argue that changing language to be gender neutral hardly counts as insane.
- MetaCosm 13y ago
  They wanted song lyrics changed, they wanted libraries that are provided upstream changed (which the author has no control over). Both of those requests are insane.
  - codygman 13y ago
    They are trolls. They are disappointed that project maintainers are empathetic and merging the pull requests. What do they do? They ask for an impossible request and demand it again and again in the hopes they'll piss someone off. The aim of it all? To make all feminists look like crazy women who you just can't get along with! How does this help anti-feminists? It will inspire you to just tell your woman[1] to get in the kitchen whilst you pick the chili dog out of your neckbeard, dust curmbs off of your formidable beer gut, and submit your newest groundbreaking post to /r/theredpill. Forgive the rant, but I've seen way more sexism today than I care to see. The apologists are just as bad if not worse. 1. Because owning people is definitely ok and part of being a man
    - sleephz 13y ago