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The thing that sticks out most is this: Of the very angry people who were repeatedly tweeting attacks at him after the Valleywag article, I haven't seen even on

by xiaoma 13y ago

The thing that sticks out most is this: Of the very angry people who were repeatedly tweeting attacks at him after the Valleywag article, I haven't seen even one apologize. It's just sad. Edit: @antics, I just reread the stream of angry @paulg tweets from Dec. 28th and have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe I missed tptacek's tweet both times. Please don't attack me over it.

antics 13y ago
Then you truly weren't paying attention. At the top of comments section re: one of the articles explaining that the interview with pg left out an entire question, tptacek's apology was the top-voted comment. Insinuating yourself into a discussion you have not been following carefully to accuse another party of hubris is pretty much the apex of bad discussion behavior. It is not in good faith, please don't do it.
girvo 13y ago
'tptaeck didn't tweet, it was a comment on HN, just FYI. I think you two are taking about two different things.
- crassus 13y ago
  I remember this guy, for starters. Nobody's holier than him: https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/417914396745031680 https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/41791439674503168... https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/417904927411679232 https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/41790492741167923... https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/417775835467096064 https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/41777583546709606...
  - reinhardt 13y ago
    What's embarrassing is that this self-righteous, guilt-tripped social justice douchebag is a BDFL of Django. I wouldn't be surprised if some current or potential Django users or contributors get sick of his jihad and turn to to a different developer community.
    - asksol 13y ago
      Could you please educate the rest of us what is so upsetting about these tweets (other than the fact that he received death threats)? Jacob is doing a fantastic job at making people of all types feel welcome, which I believe is more likely to make the Django developer community thrive (as it already is). Also, the footnote mentioned where pg writes that he enjoys that startups can freely discriminate is worrying. It does not mean that pg is a sexist, but he is a role model and we would expect him to be more sensitive.
      - reinhardt 13y ago
        > making people of all types feel welcome except for (preferably white) men, apparently: "ah right, yes, I forgot about the poor oppressed men. I keep doing that, why can’t I ever remember?" Death threats from random anonymous people on the internet don't mean much more than that you have really pissed someone off. They're not to be taken literally. Re pg's footnote: The discrimination example he brings up is based on real-world constraints, not some arbitrary prejudice. There is a place for enforced equality quotas, no child/woman/minority left behind and other social safety nets. Startups is not such a place.
        supersystem 13y ago
        The major hurdle for fighting for men's rights are people like yourself that keep lowering the debate by not being able to conduct themselves in a decent way. Frankly, the attitudes behind why women doesn't have a place in technology or used to be barred from many sports, are the same as why men can be forced into military service or has a higher risk of injury at work.
      - anatoly 13y ago
        I remember reading these two tweets: https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/416719991963009024 https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/416719991963009024 https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/417776560603549696 https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/417776560603549696 and thinking that the second one (in response to some people telling him he was factually wrong about pg, and should maybe cool down) in particular marks him as a toxic passive-aggressive douchebag. Do you think these are fine, too? I didn't know he was head of Django, which I don't use, but wouldn't go as far as assuming his personality leaks out to the project. It may well be that he's doing great things in Django, people often compartmentalize.
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001sky 13y ago
Maybe I missed tptacek's tweet both times relevant> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6986829 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6986829

by xiaoma 13y ago

antics 13y ago

Then you truly weren't paying attention. At the top of comments section re: one of the articles explaining that the interview with pg left out an entire question, tptacek's apology was the top-voted comment. Insinuating yourself into a discussion you have not been following carefully to accuse another party of hubris is pretty much the apex of bad discussion behavior. It is not in good faith, please don't do it.

girvo 13y ago

'tptaeck didn't tweet, it was a comment on HN, just FYI. I think you two are taking about two different things.

crassus 13y ago
I remember this guy, for starters. Nobody's holier than him: https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/417914396745031680 https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/41791439674503168... https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/417904927411679232 https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/41790492741167923... https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/417775835467096064 https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobian/status/41777583546709606...
- reinhardt 13y ago
  What's embarrassing is that this self-righteous, guilt-tripped social justice douchebag is a BDFL of Django. I wouldn't be surprised if some current or potential Django users or contributors get sick of his jihad and turn to to a different developer community.
  - asksol 13y ago
    Could you please educate the rest of us what is so upsetting about these tweets (other than the fact that he received death threats)? Jacob is doing a fantastic job at making people of all types feel welcome, which I believe is more likely to make the Django developer community thrive (as it already is). Also, the footnote mentioned where pg writes that he enjoys that startups can freely discriminate is worrying. It does not mean that pg is a sexist, but he is a role model and we would expect him to be more sensitive.
    - reinhardt 13y ago
      > making people of all types feel welcome except for (preferably white) men, apparently: "ah right, yes, I forgot about the poor oppressed men. I keep doing that, why can’t I ever remember?" Death threats from random anonymous people on the internet don't mean much more than that you have really pissed someone off. They're not to be taken literally. Re pg's footnote: The discrimination example he brings up is based on real-world constraints, not some arbitrary prejudice. There is a place for enforced equality quotas, no child/woman/minority left behind and other social safety nets. Startups is not such a place.
      - supersystem 13y ago
        The major hurdle for fighting for men's rights are people like yourself that keep lowering the debate by not being able to conduct themselves in a decent way. Frankly, the attitudes behind why women doesn't have a place in technology or used to be barred from many sports, are the same as why men can be forced into military service or has a higher risk of injury at work.
    - anatoly 13y ago
      I remember reading these two tweets: https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/416719991963009024 https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/416719991963009024 https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/417776560603549696 https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/417776560603549696 and thinking that the second one (in response to some people telling him he was factually wrong about pg, and should maybe cool down) in particular marks him as a toxic passive-aggressive douchebag. Do you think these are fine, too? I didn't know he was head of Django, which I don't use, but wouldn't go as far as assuming his personality leaks out to the project. It may well be that he's doing great things in Django, people often compartmentalize.
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001sky 13y ago

Maybe I missed tptacek's tweet both times relevant> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6986829 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6986829