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No. Why is achievement in our culture positioned to always be this 3-act epic like we have to slay the bad guy? try rethinking your approach here and accept t

by l33tbro 13y ago

No. Why is achievement in our culture positioned to always be this 3-act epic like we have to slay the bad guy? try rethinking your approach here and accept that it is actually totally fine to walk home at the end of the day and celebrate a small victory. There are indeed technology consultants that inform these govt policy: they're called lobbyists and their influence is often proportional to how much their self-interest will prosper. this is why the system doesn't work and Hacker's like Aaron need to step in. None of us believe we'll walk away from this having fixed anything, it is an ongoing process to keep the system in check. The point, however, is to simply concentrate our anger and focus over a month into, as a hacker, doing SOMETHING proactive against this.

ctdonath 13y ago
Small victory What victory? Keep what in check? Opinions without objective consequences don't matter.
niuzeta 13y ago
> it is actually totally fine to walk home at the end of the day and celebrate a small victory. It is fine to walk home and celebrate a small victory. It may not be fine to walk home and celebrate a victory, however small, when that victory is nothing but an illusion. Exactly what kind of victory will this movement achieve? From what I can tell it's another let's-feel-good-about-ourselves-by-shouting-at-same-time. It makes you feel great, sure, but in the end what have you achieved? Two child comments from my comment have corrected me of groups who are fighting back. Perhaps a donation? Spreading awareness of the groups? A political motion needs to happen continuously. A day's worth party may be fun, but in the end it's a party. People walk home and do not follow.
tunap 13y ago
Not just mere lobbyists, they are 'insiders' who make the right people boatloads of money. They become "Board members" and/or consultants &/or get appointed to seats of power away from the cameras. Hell, they draft the laws that the puppet/script-readers introduce & vote on with much pomp & flourish... or surreptitiously, whatever suits their interests best. I don't know any but one name on this list, but a quick check leads me to believe we're screwed. DHS Data Privacy Board Members list from '09: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b2EYh7XqbaUJ:http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_dpiac_meeting%2520summary_20090226.pdf%2B%22Data+Privacy+and+Integrity+Advisory+Committee%22+freeman&hl=en&biw=&bih=&gbv=1&ct=clnk https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b2EYh7... Chairman Howard Beals has no conflict of interest, I suppose: http://www.itif.org/publications/stricter-privacy-regulations-online-advertising-will-harm-free-internet http://www.itif.org/publications/stricter-privacy-regulation... D. Reed Freeman, ex-CPO of Gator Networks will fight for YOUR right to privacy, I'm sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claria_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claria_Corporation I'm also pretty sure a majority of people here @ HN will defend THEIR practices of collecting metrics, too. What's the difference? USGuv was tasked to protect & they took it too far, IMO. The Corps, privates & independents with knowledge, coding skills & processing power are tracking for profit... and have taken it too far, IMO.

by l33tbro 13y ago

ctdonath 13y ago

Small victory What victory? Keep what in check? Opinions without objective consequences don't matter.

niuzeta 13y ago

> it is actually totally fine to walk home at the end of the day and celebrate a small victory. It is fine to walk home and celebrate a small victory. It may not be fine to walk home and celebrate a victory, however small, when that victory is nothing but an illusion. Exactly what kind of victory will this movement achieve? From what I can tell it's another let's-feel-good-about-ourselves-by-shouting-at-same-time. It makes you feel great, sure, but in the end what have you achieved? Two child comments from my comment have corrected me of groups who are fighting back. Perhaps a donation? Spreading awareness of the groups? A political motion needs to happen continuously. A day's worth party may be fun, but in the end it's a party. People walk home and do not follow.

tunap 13y ago

Not just mere lobbyists, they are 'insiders' who make the right people boatloads of money. They become "Board members" and/or consultants &/or get appointed to seats of power away from the cameras. Hell, they draft the laws that the puppet/script-readers introduce & vote on with much pomp & flourish... or surreptitiously, whatever suits their interests best. I don't know any but one name on this list, but a quick check leads me to believe we're screwed. DHS Data Privacy Board Members list from '09: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b2EYh7XqbaUJ:http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_dpiac_meeting%2520summary_20090226.pdf%2B%22Data+Privacy+and+Integrity+Advisory+Committee%22+freeman&hl=en&biw=&bih=&gbv=1&ct=clnk https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b2EYh7... Chairman Howard Beals has no conflict of interest, I suppose: http://www.itif.org/publications/stricter-privacy-regulations-online-advertising-will-harm-free-internet http://www.itif.org/publications/stricter-privacy-regulation... D. Reed Freeman, ex-CPO of Gator Networks will fight for YOUR right to privacy, I'm sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claria_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claria_Corporation I'm also pretty sure a majority of people here @ HN will defend THEIR practices of collecting metrics, too. What's the difference? USGuv was tasked to protect & they took it too far, IMO. The Corps, privates & independents with knowledge, coding skills & processing power are tracking for profit... and have taken it too far, IMO.