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This is a fantastic idea. Even the "nice" git tools like Github's desktop app don't abstract over tracked files and branches and all the confusing git plumbing.

This is a fantastic idea. Even the "nice" git tools like Github's desktop app don't abstract over tracked files and branches and all the confusing git plumbing. It'd be so much better to just be able to click "I'm working on a new feature" and "I'm done with the new feature." I believe that version control should really get out of your way, and right now, that definitely isn't the case. To me, all the arguments about git's power just sound like "why use Dropbox when you can just sync your files with FTP?"

hdevalence 13y ago
> It'd be so much better to just be able to click "I'm working on a new feature" and "I'm done with the new feature." Maybe, but it might instead be better to ask people to invest a small amount of time in learning to use tools that make them more effective at doing their job. "I'm working on a new feature" and "I'm done with the new feature" are, sadly, not actually expressive enough concepts to deal with the problem. Syncing files with FTP is pretty much at the same conceptual level as "Use Dropbox". Git solves problems significantly more complicated than "I'm working on a new feature / I'm done working on a new feature". EDIT: when I say "conceptual level", I mean, "what you do with it", not "how easy it is to use". Obviously, Dropbox is more usable than FTP. My claim is that Git provides a much different level of power than "I'm working on a feature/I'm done with a feature", which is not a sufficiently expressive concept to deal with software development.
- RaphiePS 13y ago
  > Syncing files with FTP is pretty much at the same conceptual level as "Use Dropbox". I disagree. My mom loves Dropbox -- she just sticks a file in a folder like she always does and it's magically synced. If she were to use FTP, she'd have to set up a server, remember login credentials or find her public key, and grab an FTP client. And not every client supports automatic syncing either, so she might have to manually trigger a sync. Of course, FTP has way more power and flexibility than Dropbox, just like git vs <proposed VCS>. If your workflow is especially complicated, I'm sure all the git functionality comes in handy and an abstraction would be a hindrance. But most workflows, I'd argue, don't need all the plumbing.
crazygringo 13y ago
If you use something like SourceTree, it has buttons for exactly those things, after you hit the 'Git Flow' button in the toolbar. So as long as you want to use the Git Flow model, which is probably the most widely understood/used, you wish has already been granted!
- girvo 13y ago
  That's the app was trying think of! Cheers :) what I want to see, is a way of building those work flows in sourcetree, and pushing that out to developers. Would be awesome... And I think I might try and hack on it perhaps.

hdevalence 13y ago

> It'd be so much better to just be able to click "I'm working on a new feature" and "I'm done with the new feature." Maybe, but it might instead be better to ask people to invest a small amount of time in learning to use tools that make them more effective at doing their job. "I'm working on a new feature" and "I'm done with the new feature" are, sadly, not actually expressive enough concepts to deal with the problem. Syncing files with FTP is pretty much at the same conceptual level as "Use Dropbox". Git solves problems significantly more complicated than "I'm working on a new feature / I'm done working on a new feature". EDIT: when I say "conceptual level", I mean, "what you do with it", not "how easy it is to use". Obviously, Dropbox is more usable than FTP. My claim is that Git provides a much different level of power than "I'm working on a feature/I'm done with a feature", which is not a sufficiently expressive concept to deal with software development.

RaphiePS 13y ago
> Syncing files with FTP is pretty much at the same conceptual level as "Use Dropbox". I disagree. My mom loves Dropbox -- she just sticks a file in a folder like she always does and it's magically synced. If she were to use FTP, she'd have to set up a server, remember login credentials or find her public key, and grab an FTP client. And not every client supports automatic syncing either, so she might have to manually trigger a sync. Of course, FTP has way more power and flexibility than Dropbox, just like git vs <proposed VCS>. If your workflow is especially complicated, I'm sure all the git functionality comes in handy and an abstraction would be a hindrance. But most workflows, I'd argue, don't need all the plumbing.

crazygringo 13y ago

If you use something like SourceTree, it has buttons for exactly those things, after you hit the 'Git Flow' button in the toolbar. So as long as you want to use the Git Flow model, which is probably the most widely understood/used, you wish has already been granted!

girvo 13y ago
That's the app was trying think of! Cheers :) what I want to see, is a way of building those work flows in sourcetree, and pushing that out to developers. Would be awesome... And I think I might try and hack on it perhaps.