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>On another note, it was very clear checking off do not track in the vehicle. I cannot see it remaining this way. It is just a matter of time before the OEMs b

by deveac 13y ago

>On another note, it was very clear checking off do not track in the vehicle. I cannot see it remaining this way. It is just a matter of time before the OEMs buckle and sell your data to an enterprising third party in exchange for the ability to lower costs. The auto supply chain is notorious for being a bloodbath of cost-cutting. It's a perfect cultural fit. Not saying that you won't retain the option to turn off tracking as these systems become more widespread, but it's just an illegible TOS away from being opt-in by default with a buried opt-out.

mkr-hn 13y ago
Someone will write a guide to disabling it within a day.
- deveac 13y ago
  And .00001% of car buyers will learn of this guide. An even smaller number of them will actually use it.
- geekfactor 13y ago
  And law enforcement will use your having disabled it to justify a presumption of guilt.
  - maxerickson 13y ago
    Like how when you refuse to speak to the police and ask for a lawyer, they cancel your trial and put you right in a cell. (I'm sure someone can list lots of abuses of this process; the point is that they are still looked at as abuses)
- teddyh 13y ago
  Well, at least the breaking of DRM will go a bit more mainstream.
joelrunyon 13y ago
> It is just a matter of time before the OEMs buckle and sell your data to an enterprising third party in exchange for the ability to lower costs. Is anyone else getting sick of this trend? Especially with stuff that you pay full-price for. I can understand why gmail / facebook / etc do it - but for other traditional models to jump in on it seems like they're all too eager to destroy any traditional transactions.
- BrokenEnso 13y ago
  I agree, but I also understand why it happens. For a lot of people the only thing better then money is more money. That you paid a value for a product doesn't mean they don't want to make more money from that sale.
- deveac 13y ago
  >Is anyone else getting sick of this trend? Especially with stuff that you pay full-price for. I can understand why gmail / facebook / etc do it - With connected devices, the line in the sand is fading extremely quickly. Your car is a platform and a place where you are a captive audience for advertisers. Your movements and habits are valuable to any entity that can sell you something or has a financial stake in your behavior (auto insurance company). This New Years Eve I watched a montage of the ball dropping in New York City's Time Square, from 1976 to the present. Time Square, from the beginning was a place defined by commerce, advertising, and media, yet it was quaint in a way. The buildings were slathered in neon; billboards were brightly lit. You could see the progression even from there though. When the montage ended in 2013 the TV screen was covered with media and even the crowds themselves where plastered with blue foam Nivea top hats and branded clothing, carefully doled out to those located in "in-camera" zones. Wherever we are, wherever we look, whatever we hear, they want to get closer and they must. As long as money incents this, they always must. Not saying it's good or bad, it just is. If we don't like being products so much (in the aggregate), then we have to decide this together and craft protections into law. If we don't care so much, then we know where this is going.
- ganeumann 13y ago
  I agree, but I also understand why it happens. For a lot of people the only thing better then paying what something is worth is paying nothing for something of worth. That you paid a value for a product doesn't mean you don't want to pay less money for that purchase. Everybody complains about airlines cutting legroom, but no one seems willing to stop buying the airline ticket that comes to the top when you click 'sort by price, lowest to highest. People say they value things--privacy, comfort, freedom, health, etc.--one way, then they act in a way that shows they value money more. It's enough to make you stop believing what people tell you and instead just looking at what they do. Or maybe I'm just old and cynical.
angersock 13y ago
My insurance company offered me a swell discount for a little GPS box that would verify I was driving safely, and also allow anyone to track my movements. I would be unsurprised if the insurance companies gave a discount for the use of these devices in cars, especially if built in--and you can probably bet your ass that the contracts for these policies will include "we can do whatever we want with the data, share with whomever, etc." Needless to say, I bike everywhere now.

by deveac 13y ago

mkr-hn 13y ago

Someone will write a guide to disabling it within a day.

deveac 13y ago
And .00001% of car buyers will learn of this guide. An even smaller number of them will actually use it.
geekfactor 13y ago
And law enforcement will use your having disabled it to justify a presumption of guilt.
- maxerickson 13y ago
  Like how when you refuse to speak to the police and ask for a lawyer, they cancel your trial and put you right in a cell. (I'm sure someone can list lots of abuses of this process; the point is that they are still looked at as abuses)
teddyh 13y ago
Well, at least the breaking of DRM will go a bit more mainstream.

joelrunyon 13y ago

> It is just a matter of time before the OEMs buckle and sell your data to an enterprising third party in exchange for the ability to lower costs. Is anyone else getting sick of this trend? Especially with stuff that you pay full-price for. I can understand why gmail / facebook / etc do it - but for other traditional models to jump in on it seems like they're all too eager to destroy any traditional transactions.

BrokenEnso 13y ago
I agree, but I also understand why it happens. For a lot of people the only thing better then money is more money. That you paid a value for a product doesn't mean they don't want to make more money from that sale.
deveac 13y ago
>Is anyone else getting sick of this trend? Especially with stuff that you pay full-price for. I can understand why gmail / facebook / etc do it - With connected devices, the line in the sand is fading extremely quickly. Your car is a platform and a place where you are a captive audience for advertisers. Your movements and habits are valuable to any entity that can sell you something or has a financial stake in your behavior (auto insurance company). This New Years Eve I watched a montage of the ball dropping in New York City's Time Square, from 1976 to the present. Time Square, from the beginning was a place defined by commerce, advertising, and media, yet it was quaint in a way. The buildings were slathered in neon; billboards were brightly lit. You could see the progression even from there though. When the montage ended in 2013 the TV screen was covered with media and even the crowds themselves where plastered with blue foam Nivea top hats and branded clothing, carefully doled out to those located in "in-camera" zones. Wherever we are, wherever we look, whatever we hear, they want to get closer and they must. As long as money incents this, they always must. Not saying it's good or bad, it just is. If we don't like being products so much (in the aggregate), then we have to decide this together and craft protections into law. If we don't care so much, then we know where this is going.
ganeumann 13y ago
I agree, but I also understand why it happens. For a lot of people the only thing better then paying what something is worth is paying nothing for something of worth. That you paid a value for a product doesn't mean you don't want to pay less money for that purchase. Everybody complains about airlines cutting legroom, but no one seems willing to stop buying the airline ticket that comes to the top when you click 'sort by price, lowest to highest. People say they value things--privacy, comfort, freedom, health, etc.--one way, then they act in a way that shows they value money more. It's enough to make you stop believing what people tell you and instead just looking at what they do. Or maybe I'm just old and cynical.

angersock 13y ago

My insurance company offered me a swell discount for a little GPS box that would verify I was driving safely, and also allow anyone to track my movements. I would be unsurprised if the insurance companies gave a discount for the use of these devices in cars, especially if built in--and you can probably bet your ass that the contracts for these policies will include "we can do whatever we want with the data, share with whomever, etc." Needless to say, I bike everywhere now.