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It is a very smart move. But the cloud is really about getting your data away from your own networks, into better redundancy, downtime minimized and not having

It is a very smart move. But the cloud is really about getting your data away from your own networks, into better redundancy, downtime minimized and not having to pay for the upkeep. It is a smart move since they are in the corporate space but companies that choose it maybe not so smart. Sounds like another way to bolt on Sharepoint which does alot of what office on the web does already (editing, revisions etc) and Sharepoint is extremely painful and unusable. Plus let's not forget Microsoft launched Live Meeting with some office tools to no fanfare at all. It just makes me laugh a bit that some people think that keeping documents on their server is more "safe" when they are much easier to break into than Google and with most times very poor remote data backup procedures and tests. I'll just make a prediction now that this Microsoft locally hosted office web will not gain much traction except in the Sharepoint world.

rjurney 17y ago
And what if they offer mirroring/redundancy as part of Azure?
- eggnet 17y ago
  Then they don't have a privacy advantage anymore.
  - rjurney 17y ago
    If its optional? Encrypted? They can compete as well as anyone then. That is, if their stuff stops sucking. There's no reason to think thats impossible.
ErrantX 17y ago
> It just makes me laugh a bit that some people think that keeping documents on their server is more "safe" when they are much easier to break into than Google and with most times very poor remote data backup procedures and tests. It's about accountability (believe me it's a pain). Google wont take responsibility for "problems" - down time for example - in the same way. If everything is in house and there is a break in or critical down time people can be blamed, scalped and so on.
kristiandupont 17y ago
In addition to safety from hackers, I would do it because it removes the risk of Google closing my account by mistake, causing me to loose all my data.
bendtheblock 17y ago
cloud is really about getting your data away from your own network For startups and individuals, i.e. those that usually don’t have millions to spend on datacentre infrastructure, this is the case. However, large corporations like banks and multinationals can easily afford their own data centres at multiple locations around the globe, and so already have a solution for better redundancy and lower downtime. I think that the 'cloud' concept to them is about moving data from a fragmented set of desktops and file shares to an internal cloud rather than moving data off their network all together. This allows them to yield the benefits of the cloud (data consolidated, employee access from anywhere on their network, virtual workstations, easier distributed working) without the perceived disadvantages (data ownership and security). M$ have obviously realised this and made a shrewd move that makes use of their existing Office market share (they can claim ‘skill reuse’ when marketing the product and capitalise on the Office brand). I agree Sharepoint is awful but the sad truth is that the senior managers that make these type of decisions barely use the software, will just see the feature list and trust a brand like M$ over the other solutions out there that work perfectly (and sometimes better) for the rest of us. This is just one of the reasons why enterprise software usually sucks.
- electromagnetic 17y ago
  Agreed, big international corporations don't need to worry about redundancy, they need to worry about losing the data at point A (the desktop) before it ever gets to point B (the data centre). It would also allow a good go-between, in that a large corporation in the US could open a small branch for local development without huge overhead but still able to keep everything on your network. I've always thought MS was especially talented at keeping corporations interested in them, which is really their real market. However its a tragedy that their home computing OS' are the spin off product. I believe that's been microsofts largest problem for the longest time, it's that Mr Consumer is well beyond second-class compared with Money-Bags LTD. At least with Apple the home consumer is treated as a valued customer, you don't have to buy the Ultimate-Professional-Elite-Edition at $1,000 a pop to get everything a techie needs.
statictype 17y ago
>But the cloud is really about getting your data away from your own networks Here's the thing I don't get: If that were the case, then the best solution would be to write a native client that saves its data remotely over http. You get the best of both worlds. 1) Your data is centrally saved and managed 2) Your user interface isn't a crummy browser tab. But thats not what anyone's doing. The use-case for all these web-based editors seems to be to let people use apps without having to install anything on the desktop. The fact that the documents are saved on the server is just an added bonus.
- Elepsis 17y ago
  This is already the case with the integration between Microsoft Office and Sharepoint today: you can edit files directly from Sharepoint.
JimmyL 17y ago
>> this...will not gain much traction except in the Sharepoint world. OK - I would bet that's all MS is gunning for. If you're going to have the server capacity and administration skill set to manage a SharePoint system (which, from a user perspective, is pretty useful), then you'll have the capability to run this system; and you'll want to, because it will integrate perfectly with SharePoint and the rest of the Enterprise Office universe. If you don't already run SharePoint, you probably wouldn't be able to manage Office Online anyways, from either a skills or a resource perspective. And I bet Microsoft is fine with this - they're just looking for a way to make SharePoint better and more invasive, which this will do. They're not looking at small businesses with this; small businesses don't care about data retention policies, and will just use Google Apps. If you're small enough that you don't get worried about your data being stored on Google's servers, then you probably don't have an existing SharePoint infrastructure, and you probably don't have the resources to run this - so just go use Google Docs (or the hosted version of this). If you're large enough to care about where your data is, then you've probably got everything in place already you'd need to run Office Online, and you're who it's meant for.

rjurney 17y ago

And what if they offer mirroring/redundancy as part of Azure?

eggnet 17y ago
Then they don't have a privacy advantage anymore.
- rjurney 17y ago
  If its optional? Encrypted? They can compete as well as anyone then. That is, if their stuff stops sucking. There's no reason to think thats impossible.

ErrantX 17y ago

> It just makes me laugh a bit that some people think that keeping documents on their server is more "safe" when they are much easier to break into than Google and with most times very poor remote data backup procedures and tests. It's about accountability (believe me it's a pain). Google wont take responsibility for "problems" - down time for example - in the same way. If everything is in house and there is a break in or critical down time people can be blamed, scalped and so on.

kristiandupont 17y ago

In addition to safety from hackers, I would do it because it removes the risk of Google closing my account by mistake, causing me to loose all my data.

bendtheblock 17y ago

cloud is really about getting your data away from your own network For startups and individuals, i.e. those that usually don’t have millions to spend on datacentre infrastructure, this is the case. However, large corporations like banks and multinationals can easily afford their own data centres at multiple locations around the globe, and so already have a solution for better redundancy and lower downtime. I think that the 'cloud' concept to them is about moving data from a fragmented set of desktops and file shares to an internal cloud rather than moving data off their network all together. This allows them to yield the benefits of the cloud (data consolidated, employee access from anywhere on their network, virtual workstations, easier distributed working) without the perceived disadvantages (data ownership and security). M$ have obviously realised this and made a shrewd move that makes use of their existing Office market share (they can claim ‘skill reuse’ when marketing the product and capitalise on the Office brand). I agree Sharepoint is awful but the sad truth is that the senior managers that make these type of decisions barely use the software, will just see the feature list and trust a brand like M$ over the other solutions out there that work perfectly (and sometimes better) for the rest of us. This is just one of the reasons why enterprise software usually sucks.

electromagnetic 17y ago
Agreed, big international corporations don't need to worry about redundancy, they need to worry about losing the data at point A (the desktop) before it ever gets to point B (the data centre). It would also allow a good go-between, in that a large corporation in the US could open a small branch for local development without huge overhead but still able to keep everything on your network. I've always thought MS was especially talented at keeping corporations interested in them, which is really their real market. However its a tragedy that their home computing OS' are the spin off product. I believe that's been microsofts largest problem for the longest time, it's that Mr Consumer is well beyond second-class compared with Money-Bags LTD. At least with Apple the home consumer is treated as a valued customer, you don't have to buy the Ultimate-Professional-Elite-Edition at $1,000 a pop to get everything a techie needs.

statictype 17y ago

>But the cloud is really about getting your data away from your own networks Here's the thing I don't get: If that were the case, then the best solution would be to write a native client that saves its data remotely over http. You get the best of both worlds. 1) Your data is centrally saved and managed 2) Your user interface isn't a crummy browser tab. But thats not what anyone's doing. The use-case for all these web-based editors seems to be to let people use apps without having to install anything on the desktop. The fact that the documents are saved on the server is just an added bonus.

Elepsis 17y ago
This is already the case with the integration between Microsoft Office and Sharepoint today: you can edit files directly from Sharepoint.

JimmyL 17y ago

>> this...will not gain much traction except in the Sharepoint world. OK - I would bet that's all MS is gunning for. If you're going to have the server capacity and administration skill set to manage a SharePoint system (which, from a user perspective, is pretty useful), then you'll have the capability to run this system; and you'll want to, because it will integrate perfectly with SharePoint and the rest of the Enterprise Office universe. If you don't already run SharePoint, you probably wouldn't be able to manage Office Online anyways, from either a skills or a resource perspective. And I bet Microsoft is fine with this - they're just looking for a way to make SharePoint better and more invasive, which this will do. They're not looking at small businesses with this; small businesses don't care about data retention policies, and will just use Google Apps. If you're small enough that you don't get worried about your data being stored on Google's servers, then you probably don't have an existing SharePoint infrastructure, and you probably don't have the resources to run this - so just go use Google Docs (or the hosted version of this). If you're large enough to care about where your data is, then you've probably got everything in place already you'd need to run Office Online, and you're who it's meant for.