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> I think the concept of adverse possession is a necessary concept to avoid violence and enable us all to get along with each other. If possession is establish

> I think the concept of adverse possession is a necessary concept to avoid violence and enable us all to get along with each other. If possession is established and maintained violently, I'm not sure legitimizing this is a good way to avoid violence. MM does tend to confuse order with peace. Example: Jack kidnaps John and forces him to work as his slave. John soon attempts to escape but is prevented from doing so. Under Jack's brutal rule, John eventually gives up trying to escape. Years later, Jack's crime is discovered, but Jack is allowed to maintain ownership of John due to adverse possession. Order is preserved, but the violence continues. > Any Moldbuggian plot to reboot the U.S. would require a critical mass of mandarins to acknowledge the intellectual bankruptcy of the current regime. Well, either mandarins or soldiers. If that's true, then yes, a reboot seems about as likely as the Pope declaring his atheism. Well, maybe less likely, because the Pope is just one person. > perhaps break away republics can form as the U.S. continues to weaken Perhaps, but a total collapse of USG or even the formation of the fabled NAU conservatives keep droning on about would surprise me less.

bokonist 17y ago
If that's true, then yes, a reboot seems about as likely as the Pope declaring his atheism. Well, maybe less likely, because the Pope is just one person. Well, the reformation did happen. And the Soviet Union did fall. And Deng Xiaoping did say, "It matters not the color of the cat, but whether it catches the mouse". The problem is, that the leaders of these states all had positive examples to follow. The U.S. has no positive example of what a good management structure looks like. Perhaps, but even a total collapse of USG or the formation of the fabled NAU conservatives keep droning on about would surprise me less. I'm not familiar with the concept of NAU conserveratives. Mind explaining? So do you have any ideas about what should happen? Or what will happen?
- johnnybgoode 17y ago
  > Well, the reformation did happen. And the Soviet Union did fall. And Deng Xiaoping did say, "It matters not the color of the cat, but whether it catches the mouse". Agreed; I wouldn't say it's impossible. > The problem is, that the leaders of these states all had positive examples to follow. The U.S. has no positive example of what a good management structure looks like. Maybe you're right. The changes required for USG seem more drastic to me than those that were applied in the Soviet Union or China, though. After all, Protestants are still Christians. > I'm not familiar with the concept of NAU conserveratives. Mind explaining? Sorry, I was referring to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union This scares some conservatives to death, particularly the ones who worship the Constitution. I think the biggest change we'd see is different text on some signs, and I'm exaggerating only slightly. > So do you have any ideas about what should happen? Or what will happen? My ideal looks somewhat similar to "Patchwork", but without the joint stock corporate management structure, which I believe has some fatal flaws. As for what will happen, I can't say I'm sure, but I'd guess some sort of catastrophic financial collapse and associated instability. As we know, the worldwide financial system is horribly engineered. We can try to be optimistic about what comes after that, but realistically things could get pretty ugly. The parts of the world that are mostly disconnected from the financial system will be relatively okay; spontaneous order could arise in small pockets of the developed world as well, but much of the West could plunge into violence and chaos for some time.

bokonist 17y ago

If that's true, then yes, a reboot seems about as likely as the Pope declaring his atheism. Well, maybe less likely, because the Pope is just one person. Well, the reformation did happen. And the Soviet Union did fall. And Deng Xiaoping did say, "It matters not the color of the cat, but whether it catches the mouse". The problem is, that the leaders of these states all had positive examples to follow. The U.S. has no positive example of what a good management structure looks like. Perhaps, but even a total collapse of USG or the formation of the fabled NAU conservatives keep droning on about would surprise me less. I'm not familiar with the concept of NAU conserveratives. Mind explaining? So do you have any ideas about what should happen? Or what will happen?

johnnybgoode 17y ago
> Well, the reformation did happen. And the Soviet Union did fall. And Deng Xiaoping did say, "It matters not the color of the cat, but whether it catches the mouse". Agreed; I wouldn't say it's impossible. > The problem is, that the leaders of these states all had positive examples to follow. The U.S. has no positive example of what a good management structure looks like. Maybe you're right. The changes required for USG seem more drastic to me than those that were applied in the Soviet Union or China, though. After all, Protestants are still Christians. > I'm not familiar with the concept of NAU conserveratives. Mind explaining? Sorry, I was referring to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union This scares some conservatives to death, particularly the ones who worship the Constitution. I think the biggest change we'd see is different text on some signs, and I'm exaggerating only slightly. > So do you have any ideas about what should happen? Or what will happen? My ideal looks somewhat similar to "Patchwork", but without the joint stock corporate management structure, which I believe has some fatal flaws. As for what will happen, I can't say I'm sure, but I'd guess some sort of catastrophic financial collapse and associated instability. As we know, the worldwide financial system is horribly engineered. We can try to be optimistic about what comes after that, but realistically things could get pretty ugly. The parts of the world that are mostly disconnected from the financial system will be relatively okay; spontaneous order could arise in small pockets of the developed world as well, but much of the West could plunge into violence and chaos for some time.