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The silicon valley probably ain't a bad place to be but: - there is this thing called the Interweb that helps communicate efficiently from all over the world (
by corentin 19y ago
The silicon valley probably ain't a bad place to be but:
- there is this thing called the Interweb that helps communicate efficiently from all over the world (I find amusing the idea that you have to be in a certain place in one country to work on Internet stuff; doesn't sound like "eating your own dogfood" if you ask me);
- instead of all european entrepreneurs moving to the US, why not organize in Europe? Most people want to move to the US because it's easier, with less bureaucracy... yet they have to face complicated immigration issues.
Just because pg is a brilliant entrepreneur who identified a few specific rules to help replicate what he did ten years ago doesn't mean it's the only way. Far from it. Think different.
- davidw 19y ago> have to be PG never said "have to", he said you'll have better luck, everything else being equal. > complicated immigration issues. This is very true. It was even before 9/11 - search for Torvalds in this page: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9800E0DC1039F93AA15757C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9800E0DC1039F... > organize in Europe? That's where the problems start - where in Europe? England and Ireland are probably the most company friendly countries.
- kailangel 19y agoDo it in Finland. Tons of highly skilled workforce, lots of other startups, etc. I don't think the bureaucracy bit is too much of a challenge, especially when compared to US immigrations.
- davidw 19y agoI'm actually a US citizen, but I'm sick of silicon valley and don't really fancy going back, unless it's for my wife (she's in biotech, and they're way more cluster-dependent than we are in computers). Part of the reason I don't want to go back there is quality of life issues. While I'm sure Finland is a nice place for many things, it looks too cold and flat for my tastes. Also, the language is supposedly not very easy, and even though most people probably speak english well, it's always a plus to be able to integrate as much as possible. Anyway, that's just my personal take on it, which comes down to my tastes, not anything objectively wrong.
- mynameishere 19y agoAnd don't forget the dancing and the singing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm1-VsiznAU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm1-VsiznAU
- fauigerzigerk 19y agoWhat is the cost of living there? How about social security contributions and health insurance while you're not making any (or just a little) money?
- yrashk 19y agoI am basically okay to unite with other European enterpreneurs here in Europe, that's a good idea, too (if I will have no possibility to move to SV) I still believe in face-to-face communications, they bring so much value!
- mdemare 19y agoOn the internet, nobody can see you fail. Peer pressure, weekly dinners, demo day - you can't really replicate that on the web. As for organising in Europe, where? London is very expensive, and nothing else springs to mind.
- yrashk 19y agoSpain? Never been there though :)
- fauigerzigerk 19y agoSpain is hugely bureaucratic and their social security system is insane for startup founders.
- yrashk 19y agoany need to interfere with their social security and bureaucracy being incorporated elsewhere?
- fauigerzigerk 19y agoIf you want to stay on the legal side you must tell them. Unless you have no income from your business I guess. edit: I'm assuming you're talking about more than just 3 months on a beach ;-)
- adnam 19y ago> "Spain is hugely bureaucratic and their social security system is insane for startup founders." Do you have experience with this?
- jgrahamc 19y agoSV is very expensive. I think London is a perfectly good place. John.
- yrashk 19y ago
- german 19y agoWhy don't we organize it in South America?, it's cheaper than US or Europe.