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I am interested, though I need someone to invite me to US to let me apply for visa. P.S. That is basically what I was talking about yesterday (http://news.ycom

by yrashk 19y ago

I am interested, though I need someone to invite me to US to let me apply for visa. P.S. That is basically what I was talking about yesterday (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=70071 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=70071 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=70107 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=70107) P.P.S. I am interested to move, to communicate frequently and to share apartments to reduce costs.

corentin 19y ago
The silicon valley probably ain't a bad place to be but: - there is this thing called the Interweb that helps communicate efficiently from all over the world (I find amusing the idea that you have to be in a certain place in one country to work on Internet stuff; doesn't sound like "eating your own dogfood" if you ask me); - instead of all european entrepreneurs moving to the US, why not organize in Europe? Most people want to move to the US because it's easier, with less bureaucracy... yet they have to face complicated immigration issues. Just because pg is a brilliant entrepreneur who identified a few specific rules to help replicate what he did ten years ago doesn't mean it's the only way. Far from it. Think different.
- davidw 19y ago
  > have to be PG never said "have to", he said you'll have better luck, everything else being equal. > complicated immigration issues. This is very true. It was even before 9/11 - search for Torvalds in this page: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9800E0DC1039F93AA15757C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9800E0DC1039F... > organize in Europe? That's where the problems start - where in Europe? England and Ireland are probably the most company friendly countries.
  - kailangel 19y ago
    Do it in Finland. Tons of highly skilled workforce, lots of other startups, etc. I don't think the bureaucracy bit is too much of a challenge, especially when compared to US immigrations.
    - davidw 19y ago
      I'm actually a US citizen, but I'm sick of silicon valley and don't really fancy going back, unless it's for my wife (she's in biotech, and they're way more cluster-dependent than we are in computers). Part of the reason I don't want to go back there is quality of life issues. While I'm sure Finland is a nice place for many things, it looks too cold and flat for my tastes. Also, the language is supposedly not very easy, and even though most people probably speak english well, it's always a plus to be able to integrate as much as possible. Anyway, that's just my personal take on it, which comes down to my tastes, not anything objectively wrong.
    - mynameishere 19y ago
      And don't forget the dancing and the singing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm1-VsiznAU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm1-VsiznAU
    - fauigerzigerk 19y ago
      What is the cost of living there? How about social security contributions and health insurance while you're not making any (or just a little) money?
- yrashk 19y ago
  I am basically okay to unite with other European enterpreneurs here in Europe, that's a good idea, too (if I will have no possibility to move to SV) I still believe in face-to-face communications, they bring so much value!
- mdemare 19y ago
  On the internet, nobody can see you fail. Peer pressure, weekly dinners, demo day - you can't really replicate that on the web. As for organising in Europe, where? London is very expensive, and nothing else springs to mind.
  - yrashk 19y ago
    Spain? Never been there though :)
    - fauigerzigerk 19y ago
      Spain is hugely bureaucratic and their social security system is insane for startup founders.
      - yrashk 19y ago
        any need to interfere with their social security and bureaucracy being incorporated elsewhere?
        fauigerzigerk 19y ago
        If you want to stay on the legal side you must tell them. Unless you have no income from your business I guess. edit: I'm assuming you're talking about more than just 3 months on a beach ;-)
      - adnam 19y ago
        > "Spain is hugely bureaucratic and their social security system is insane for startup founders." Do you have experience with this?
  - jgrahamc 19y ago
    SV is very expensive. I think London is a perfectly good place. John.
    - yrashk 19y ago
- german 19y ago
  Why don't we organize it in South America?, it's cheaper than US or Europe.
brl 19y ago
Where are you now? We are coming from Argentina so we have immigration challenges too. Does anybody know if it's legal for us to work on our startup in the US without having a work visa (if we aren't taking a salary) _after_ we incorporate in the US?
- yrashk 19y ago
  I am currently in Ukraine. IANAL, but I suppose it is ok to have a kind of usual visa for three month or so and commit to your own US company wherever you are (while you have no salary). I am a co-founder of US company already.
- kailangel 19y ago
  I have a US work visa, when I first came here I came with an E visa (Executive or something), because I worked for a finnish start-up that was launching their US operations here. I later heard that it's a good visa class (not sure why) and quite difficult to get. I'm from Finland btw, your home country does affect your chances with some of the visa types.

by yrashk 19y ago

corentin 19y ago

The silicon valley probably ain't a bad place to be but: - there is this thing called the Interweb that helps communicate efficiently from all over the world (I find amusing the idea that you have to be in a certain place in one country to work on Internet stuff; doesn't sound like "eating your own dogfood" if you ask me); - instead of all european entrepreneurs moving to the US, why not organize in Europe? Most people want to move to the US because it's easier, with less bureaucracy... yet they have to face complicated immigration issues. Just because pg is a brilliant entrepreneur who identified a few specific rules to help replicate what he did ten years ago doesn't mean it's the only way. Far from it. Think different.

davidw 19y ago
> have to be PG never said "have to", he said you'll have better luck, everything else being equal. > complicated immigration issues. This is very true. It was even before 9/11 - search for Torvalds in this page: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9800E0DC1039F93AA15757C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9800E0DC1039F... > organize in Europe? That's where the problems start - where in Europe? England and Ireland are probably the most company friendly countries.
- kailangel 19y ago
  Do it in Finland. Tons of highly skilled workforce, lots of other startups, etc. I don't think the bureaucracy bit is too much of a challenge, especially when compared to US immigrations.
  - davidw 19y ago
    I'm actually a US citizen, but I'm sick of silicon valley and don't really fancy going back, unless it's for my wife (she's in biotech, and they're way more cluster-dependent than we are in computers). Part of the reason I don't want to go back there is quality of life issues. While I'm sure Finland is a nice place for many things, it looks too cold and flat for my tastes. Also, the language is supposedly not very easy, and even though most people probably speak english well, it's always a plus to be able to integrate as much as possible. Anyway, that's just my personal take on it, which comes down to my tastes, not anything objectively wrong.
  - mynameishere 19y ago
    And don't forget the dancing and the singing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm1-VsiznAU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm1-VsiznAU
  - fauigerzigerk 19y ago
    What is the cost of living there? How about social security contributions and health insurance while you're not making any (or just a little) money?
yrashk 19y ago
I am basically okay to unite with other European enterpreneurs here in Europe, that's a good idea, too (if I will have no possibility to move to SV) I still believe in face-to-face communications, they bring so much value!
mdemare 19y ago
On the internet, nobody can see you fail. Peer pressure, weekly dinners, demo day - you can't really replicate that on the web. As for organising in Europe, where? London is very expensive, and nothing else springs to mind.
- yrashk 19y ago
  Spain? Never been there though :)
  - fauigerzigerk 19y ago
    Spain is hugely bureaucratic and their social security system is insane for startup founders.
    - yrashk 19y ago
      any need to interfere with their social security and bureaucracy being incorporated elsewhere?
      - fauigerzigerk 19y ago
        If you want to stay on the legal side you must tell them. Unless you have no income from your business I guess. edit: I'm assuming you're talking about more than just 3 months on a beach ;-)
    - adnam 19y ago
      > "Spain is hugely bureaucratic and their social security system is insane for startup founders." Do you have experience with this?
- jgrahamc 19y ago
  SV is very expensive. I think London is a perfectly good place. John.
  - yrashk 19y ago
german 19y ago
Why don't we organize it in South America?, it's cheaper than US or Europe.

brl 19y ago

Where are you now? We are coming from Argentina so we have immigration challenges too. Does anybody know if it's legal for us to work on our startup in the US without having a work visa (if we aren't taking a salary) _after_ we incorporate in the US?

yrashk 19y ago
I am currently in Ukraine. IANAL, but I suppose it is ok to have a kind of usual visa for three month or so and commit to your own US company wherever you are (while you have no salary). I am a co-founder of US company already.
kailangel 19y ago
I have a US work visa, when I first came here I came with an E visa (Executive or something), because I worked for a finnish start-up that was launching their US operations here. I later heard that it's a good visa class (not sure why) and quite difficult to get. I'm from Finland btw, your home country does affect your chances with some of the visa types.