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I understand that a significant majority of the United States' healthcare system is lacklustre. I understand that a significant majority of the United States'

by robzyb 13y ago

I understand that a significant majority of the United States' healthcare system is lacklustre. I understand that a significant majority of the United States' only offer limited annual leave (compared to Australia's 4 weeks). I understand that a significant majority of the United States' suffers from an extremely high murder rate for a 1st world country. This is a sample of why I don't want to live in the US, even though they have fast internet.

clarkmoody 13y ago
Citation needed Seriously.
- catmanjan 13y ago
  http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/Homicide_statistics2012.xls http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/... For murder rates, North America beaten by Africa only I believe.
mikeash 13y ago
The health care system is fine if you can afford it. The main problem with American health care is financial, and if you have good insurance (which should come with any good job) it's fine. Not great, but on par with the rest of the first world. Limited annual leave depends on the job. If you're in software engineering or similar, you're unlikely to have a problem. If you get offered a job that doesn't offer the annual leave you want, either negotiate for more, or just don't take that job. I doubt your statement that a majority of the US has an extremely high murder rate. Some parts of the country certainly do, but much of the country is perfectly safe. The overall average rate is higher than other first-world countries, but that does not imply that most of the country has a higher rate. Crime is not spread out evenly. You may want to look into why you understand things that aren't really correct, and figure out how that happened.
- Goladus 13y ago
  Murder rate thing is probably because an Australian national named Christopher Lane, in the US playing Baseball at college, was randomly murdered in Oklahoma this year. He was out jogging when a couple of teenagers ran up and shot him in the back for no obvious reason. Australian politicians immediately started telling people not to visit the US because it's so full of guns.
  - robzyb 13y ago
    I've never heard of Christopher Lane before. Wait, actually, on second thought, I have. But that didn't have any impact on my opinion of the US. The murder rate statistic "thing" (as you described it) is based on the actual murder rate statistics. And my knowledge of US gun control.
    - Goladus 13y ago
      Clearly, not a very nuanced understanding of what those statistics actually say (see post from mikeash above) or an intelligent perspective on the relevance of gun control.
  - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
    I grew up in America and holy shit really!?
  - GFischer 13y ago
    I live in Uruguay (South America) and I liked to mention the statistic that you're 10 times more likely to be murdered in Chicago (or was it Detroit?) than in Montevideo, yet you're 10 times more likely to be robbed in Montevideo :P Not sure if it's still true but it was a funny statistic. And the media here does portray the U.S. as a country where murder is uncommonly prevalent.
- nl 13y ago
  I doubt your statement that a majority of the US has an extremely high murder rate. Some parts of the country certainly do, but much of the country is perfectly safe. The overall average rate is higher than other first-world countries, but that does not imply that most of the country has a higher rate. Crime is not spread out evenly. That sounds reasonable, but I thought I'd take a look. It turns out that the Australian states with the worst murder rate (NSW & WA, 1.6/1000) would have been the fifth best in the US (after New Hampshire, Minnesota, Iowa and Hawaii)[1]. So yeah, most of the US does have a higher murder rate. [1] 2011 figures, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentiona...
bane 13y ago
Let's do one for another country, say Korea. - I understand that a significant majority of Korea's healthcare system is lacklustre, but cheap. - I understand that a significant majority of Korea's only offer limited annual leave (1 week) (compared to Australia's 4 weeks). - I understand that a significant majority of Korea suffers from an extremely suicide rate for a 1st world country. This is a sample of why I don't want to live in South Korea even though they have the fastest, cheapest internet on Earth. Or France - I understand that a significant majority of France's healthcare system is quite good, but you pay out the nose for it in taxes even if you don't ever use it. - I understand that a significant majority of the French support industry and infrastructure choking union strikes over tiny contract details - I understand that a significant majority of France suffers from an extremely high racial segregation and discrimination problem This is a sample of why I don't want to live in France even though they have the best cuisine on Earth. Or Australia - I understand that a significant majority of the Australia's healthcare system is lacklustre. - I understand that a significant majority of Australians still support the Aboriginal segregation and forced adoption laws. - I understand that Australia not only has a slow internet, but widespread and regular censorship of what sites citizens can go to. - I understand that Australia doesn't even offer free speech protection. This is a sample of why I don't want to live in Australia, even though it has nice weather.
- celeryreally 13y ago
  I understand that a significant majority of Australians still support the Aboriginal segregation and forced adoption laws. What? I don't think I've met anyone, ever, whom holds such an opinion. (And I grew up in south west Sydney).
  - bane 13y ago
    I wasn't trying to be accurate, just reflect how absurd the parent was.
- robzyb 13y ago
  > I understand that a significant majority of Australians still support the Aboriginal segregation and forced adoption laws. > I understand that Australia not only has a slow internet, but widespread and regular censorship of what sites citizens can go to. You are greatly mistaken. > I understand that a significant majority of the Australia's healthcare system is lacklustre. It ain't perfect, but its significantly better than the US' > I understand that Australia doesn't even offer free speech protection. I know. This really sucks. We have "implicit" free speech, but it still sucks.
cubicle67 13y ago
4 weeks paid annual leave plus 10 days paid sick leave (cumulative) plus 10 paid public holidays per year

by robzyb 13y ago

clarkmoody 13y ago

Citation needed Seriously.

catmanjan 13y ago
http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/Homicide_statistics2012.xls http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/... For murder rates, North America beaten by Africa only I believe.

mikeash 13y ago

The health care system is fine if you can afford it. The main problem with American health care is financial, and if you have good insurance (which should come with any good job) it's fine. Not great, but on par with the rest of the first world. Limited annual leave depends on the job. If you're in software engineering or similar, you're unlikely to have a problem. If you get offered a job that doesn't offer the annual leave you want, either negotiate for more, or just don't take that job. I doubt your statement that a majority of the US has an extremely high murder rate. Some parts of the country certainly do, but much of the country is perfectly safe. The overall average rate is higher than other first-world countries, but that does not imply that most of the country has a higher rate. Crime is not spread out evenly. You may want to look into why you understand things that aren't really correct, and figure out how that happened.

Goladus 13y ago
Murder rate thing is probably because an Australian national named Christopher Lane, in the US playing Baseball at college, was randomly murdered in Oklahoma this year. He was out jogging when a couple of teenagers ran up and shot him in the back for no obvious reason. Australian politicians immediately started telling people not to visit the US because it's so full of guns.
- robzyb 13y ago
  I've never heard of Christopher Lane before. Wait, actually, on second thought, I have. But that didn't have any impact on my opinion of the US. The murder rate statistic "thing" (as you described it) is based on the actual murder rate statistics. And my knowledge of US gun control.
  - Goladus 13y ago
    Clearly, not a very nuanced understanding of what those statistics actually say (see post from mikeash above) or an intelligent perspective on the relevance of gun control.
- eli_gottlieb 13y ago
  I grew up in America and holy shit really!?
- GFischer 13y ago
  I live in Uruguay (South America) and I liked to mention the statistic that you're 10 times more likely to be murdered in Chicago (or was it Detroit?) than in Montevideo, yet you're 10 times more likely to be robbed in Montevideo :P Not sure if it's still true but it was a funny statistic. And the media here does portray the U.S. as a country where murder is uncommonly prevalent.
nl 13y ago
I doubt your statement that a majority of the US has an extremely high murder rate. Some parts of the country certainly do, but much of the country is perfectly safe. The overall average rate is higher than other first-world countries, but that does not imply that most of the country has a higher rate. Crime is not spread out evenly. That sounds reasonable, but I thought I'd take a look. It turns out that the Australian states with the worst murder rate (NSW & WA, 1.6/1000) would have been the fifth best in the US (after New Hampshire, Minnesota, Iowa and Hawaii)[1]. So yeah, most of the US does have a higher murder rate. [1] 2011 figures, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentiona...

bane 13y ago

Let's do one for another country, say Korea. - I understand that a significant majority of Korea's healthcare system is lacklustre, but cheap. - I understand that a significant majority of Korea's only offer limited annual leave (1 week) (compared to Australia's 4 weeks). - I understand that a significant majority of Korea suffers from an extremely suicide rate for a 1st world country. This is a sample of why I don't want to live in South Korea even though they have the fastest, cheapest internet on Earth. Or France - I understand that a significant majority of France's healthcare system is quite good, but you pay out the nose for it in taxes even if you don't ever use it. - I understand that a significant majority of the French support industry and infrastructure choking union strikes over tiny contract details - I understand that a significant majority of France suffers from an extremely high racial segregation and discrimination problem This is a sample of why I don't want to live in France even though they have the best cuisine on Earth. Or Australia - I understand that a significant majority of the Australia's healthcare system is lacklustre. - I understand that a significant majority of Australians still support the Aboriginal segregation and forced adoption laws. - I understand that Australia not only has a slow internet, but widespread and regular censorship of what sites citizens can go to. - I understand that Australia doesn't even offer free speech protection. This is a sample of why I don't want to live in Australia, even though it has nice weather.

celeryreally 13y ago
I understand that a significant majority of Australians still support the Aboriginal segregation and forced adoption laws. What? I don't think I've met anyone, ever, whom holds such an opinion. (And I grew up in south west Sydney).
- bane 13y ago
  I wasn't trying to be accurate, just reflect how absurd the parent was.
robzyb 13y ago
> I understand that a significant majority of Australians still support the Aboriginal segregation and forced adoption laws. > I understand that Australia not only has a slow internet, but widespread and regular censorship of what sites citizens can go to. You are greatly mistaken. > I understand that a significant majority of the Australia's healthcare system is lacklustre. It ain't perfect, but its significantly better than the US' > I understand that Australia doesn't even offer free speech protection. I know. This really sucks. We have "implicit" free speech, but it still sucks.

cubicle67 13y ago

4 weeks paid annual leave plus 10 days paid sick leave (cumulative) plus 10 paid public holidays per year