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As I said, it isn't reasonable to ask KDE to not be KDE... I just don't want to see them slide out of relevance. They bring a lot of good ideas and tech to the

by Crito 13y ago

As I said, it isn't reasonable to ask KDE to not be KDE... I just don't want to see them slide out of relevance. They bring a lot of good ideas and tech to the table, but currently aren't packaging it in a form that I find palatable.

mpyne 13y ago
Well I'm currently reading an economics book that describes the "creative destruction" that results from disruptive innovators displacing old industries... and I guess the point to that is that if KDE gets made irrelevant because no one uses desktops well, such is life, you know? May the best GUI win and all. It's not impossible we'd make a KWin-lite that only does tiling WM (but how would that integrate to the rest, that's the question). IMHO the KDE contributor community is even more valuable than the software at this point, which is all the more impressive given how anarchical it all really is. There's no Linux kernel-style "hierarchical command-and-control" development framework, no major corporate sponsors, and yet things still get done which is a testament to the skill and "give-a-shit".
- yareally 13y ago
  > There's no Linux kernel-style "hierarchical command-and-control" development framework, no major corporate sponsors Google is a major corporate sponsor of KDE. http://ev.kde.org/supporting-members.php http://ev.kde.org/supporting-members.php
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  - mpyne 13y ago
    We apparently have different ideas of what 'major' means then, though I don't mean to malign Google's, or Digia's, or anyone else's financial contributions toward hosting our yearly general assembly and convention.
    - yareally 13y ago
      I misunderstood your definition of what 'major' is, I apologize. I didn't realize you were actively involved with KDE as well. I'm just a long-term KDE fan/end user and not an active contributor, but thanks for responding to clear that up.
TillE 13y ago
Has KDE even been relevant since the debacle that was KDE4? The few distros that still have it as a default seem like a much smaller fraction of the market than they've ever been. I try it again every year or so, and while the bugs have mostly cleared up, it no longer does what I want. KDE3 did a really good job of feeling more or less like WinXP, with some cool WM features (little things like snapping a window to the edge of the screen, or being able to make it stay on top of other windows). I loved it. KDE4 is doing its own thing, and not particularly well. Used to love Amarok too, which got ruined in the transition to Qt4, losing tons of features. Things might be better now, but we're talking about years spent in an awful transitional period. It's a huge self-inflicted wound for KDE.
- gtaylor 13y ago
  KDE4 had a rough launch, but the later versions are actually really good. Resource usage is down, it's an order of magnitude faster, and it's just an overall much better situation. Looking forward to see KDE5 once it's released/stable.

by Crito 13y ago

mpyne 13y ago

Well I'm currently reading an economics book that describes the "creative destruction" that results from disruptive innovators displacing old industries... and I guess the point to that is that if KDE gets made irrelevant because no one uses desktops well, such is life, you know? May the best GUI win and all. It's not impossible we'd make a KWin-lite that only does tiling WM (but how would that integrate to the rest, that's the question). IMHO the KDE contributor community is even more valuable than the software at this point, which is all the more impressive given how anarchical it all really is. There's no Linux kernel-style "hierarchical command-and-control" development framework, no major corporate sponsors, and yet things still get done which is a testament to the skill and "give-a-shit".

yareally 13y ago
> There's no Linux kernel-style "hierarchical command-and-control" development framework, no major corporate sponsors Google is a major corporate sponsor of KDE. http://ev.kde.org/supporting-members.php http://ev.kde.org/supporting-members.php
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- mpyne 13y ago
  We apparently have different ideas of what 'major' means then, though I don't mean to malign Google's, or Digia's, or anyone else's financial contributions toward hosting our yearly general assembly and convention.
  - yareally 13y ago
    I misunderstood your definition of what 'major' is, I apologize. I didn't realize you were actively involved with KDE as well. I'm just a long-term KDE fan/end user and not an active contributor, but thanks for responding to clear that up.

TillE 13y ago

Has KDE even been relevant since the debacle that was KDE4? The few distros that still have it as a default seem like a much smaller fraction of the market than they've ever been. I try it again every year or so, and while the bugs have mostly cleared up, it no longer does what I want. KDE3 did a really good job of feeling more or less like WinXP, with some cool WM features (little things like snapping a window to the edge of the screen, or being able to make it stay on top of other windows). I loved it. KDE4 is doing its own thing, and not particularly well. Used to love Amarok too, which got ruined in the transition to Qt4, losing tons of features. Things might be better now, but we're talking about years spent in an awful transitional period. It's a huge self-inflicted wound for KDE.

gtaylor 13y ago
KDE4 had a rough launch, but the later versions are actually really good. Resource usage is down, it's an order of magnitude faster, and it's just an overall much better situation. Looking forward to see KDE5 once it's released/stable.