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I found that apt. I enjoy opera and ballet. If you stand outside the coliseum 15 minutes before an ENO performance, you will see - most surely - opera lovers
by binarymax 13y ago
I found that apt. I enjoy opera and ballet. If you stand outside the coliseum 15 minutes before an ENO performance, you will see - most surely - opera lovers hogging the pavements. I cannot imagine for one moment a PC handing out a citation to a single one of them. Teens waiting to get into a show in camden however, I can see these being handed out like take away flyers. (sorry for the bad analogy)
- gaius 13y agoWhen opera lovers start looting shops, then the police will start handing out citations. You seem to think it's unfair that a group with no history of causing trouble should be treated differently from one that has. And yes I have been both a teenage goth in Camden and in the queue at the ROH to see Turandot (among others).
- binarymax 13y agoI never said I agree with it, I am merely stating opinion of how this law will be (ab)used. I have been to many shows in camden myself and have caused a fair share of trouble "on the pavements". This law is a terrible idea - but make no mistake - the author knows exactly how it will be levied.
- tehwalrus 13y agoTreating a group differently because a similar group was trouble in the past is no way to run a police service! If it's a bunch of people affiliated with a political ideology (e.g. EDL marches, occupy) then you might have a point since they're voluntarily associating - but profiling based on age, race, what type of entertainment they're queuing for, that is unjustifiable! think of the number of false positives....
- gaius 13y agoThe existence of football hooligans would tend to disprove that. Also punks. You can actually very easily correlate "trouble" with "preferred entertainment".
- tehwalrus 13y agoPunk was political, specifically anarchist - argument void. I didn't say you can't correlate it, I said you can't treat them all like criminals by default - only a small fraction of football fans are violent, similarly teenagers. A law that effectively bans people queuing up to watch football is the same level of crazy as banning teenagers from queuing up for goth metal.
- gaius 13y agoPolitical, specifically Fascist I think you mean. There is a big overlap with punks, football hooligans and BNP/Combat 18. Ever heard of Skrewdriver? Where does the law ban people from standing in queues?
- tehwalrus 13y agoYour initial comment referenced the possibility of people being given an order for "clogging up the pavement", whether protesting, queuing for the opera, etc - that is what I've been referencing.
- dreamfactory2 13y agoSkrewdriver had nothing to do with punk. Apart from being long dead by the time the BNP formed, punk was nihilist and situationist, not fascist.
- lmm 13y agoYou can. That doesn't make it right.