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New York Times Redesign

85 points by stevewilhelm 13y ago

minimaxir 13y ago
Text renders oddly on Windows/Chrome (lots of kerning issues)
- dded 13y ago
  Did you actually find the redesigned site? When I go to nytimes.com, it doesn't look any different than it has for quite a while. The nytimes.com/redesign link itself vaguely reminds me of the Mavericks announcement page that Apple had up before they actually released it. In any case, nothing looks odd with kerning on Mac/Safari or Firefox.
  - stevewilhelm 13y ago
    Front page indicates the redesign is coming Jan 8th.
alphakappa 13y ago
It's great to see newspapers trying to improve the reading experience itself (single page stories that aren't broken up into a dozen pages for pageviews, removing distractions etc), since many of the other news websites smother the user in advertisements, popovers and social media buttons to the point where it feels like you have to battle the site just to read the story itself. It remains to be seen how this redesign will feel in practice, but it seems to have all the right intentions. When it comes to news websites, my current favorite is the design for The Daily Beast.
tambourine_man 13y ago
Crashes iOS 7 Safari and Chrome on an iPhone 4S
- baddox 13y ago
  Isn't quite crash on iOS 7 Safari on iPad Air, but it felt like it would at any moment.
dredmorbius 13y ago
It'd be ... nice? useful? different? ... if I could get the video to play. Edit: Well, waddya know, it's downloadable. And in Ogg format ("Ogg data, Skeleton v4.0" per file(1)). So, no, doesn't work in my browser for whatever reason, but I can download and play it locally, which works better for me anyway. Of the changes, the depagination is probably one of the more useful to me. I've actually written my own CSS to drastically reformat how NY Times pages render (a few screenshots here, among others: http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1tm4ox/user_site_restyling_multicolumn_vs_fullwidth/ http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1tm4ox/user_site_res...) The side-to-side viewing stuff I've found really annoying on other sites, especially if it's tied in to arrow-key navigation or other stuff. I tend to find myself sliding off the page I want to be on.
ajays 13y ago
Sorry to go off on a tangent, but: I would love to subscribe to NYT digital editions, but why must the digital edition cost almost as much as the paper edition? Imagine the waste involved (in energy and materials)! Current home delivery rates are $8.75 for paper, and $5.00 for internet. That is simply too much. Bring it down to $1/week and we'll talk.
- cageface 13y ago
  Seriously? An extra dollar a month is a dealbreaker for you?
  - ajays 13y ago
    I dunno, maybe our math is different, but how are you getting $1/month difference?
- ddebernardy 13y ago
  Not sure what you're complaining about... It's $5 for 12 weeks...
  - abat 13y ago
    That's just the intro price. It's $5/WEEK if you want nytimes.com + tablet apps. That's $260/year instead of $22/year. I would gladly subscribe if the long term rate was $5 for 12 weeks. See full prices here: http://www.nytimes.com/subscriptions/Multiproduct/lp5558.html http://www.nytimes.com/subscriptions/Multiproduct/lp5558.htm...
    - fragsworth 13y ago
      Yeah, that's too much. And that's just for the NY Times... how many other sites are you supposed to pay for? I feel like there should be some technical way to handle letting a user pay a flat amount, and distribute the proceeds to the sites you actually visit, in a sort of fair way.
      - 13y ago
kunai 13y ago
Most of it is good, but the thing that kills it is the inline comments. When I want to get down and read an article, I want to get down and read the damn thing, not be faced with comments that most often reiterate whatever's in the article anyway. Keep the comments where they should be – AFTER the article.
- crazygringo 13y ago
  I wouldn't knock it until you see it. I'll be curious -- and NYT articles generally have curated "Times' Picks" comments that often genuinely add to the articles. Remember, most articles don't even have comments -- only the ones which the NYT deems comment-worthy, and they do put forth editorial efforts at quality control.
  - danielweber 13y ago
    People who comment on the NYTimes are literate and can use full sentences. But beyond that it's about as useful as any other general-purpose comment board: a whole lot of self-selecting, self-important, in-group tribal bullshit.
- ParkerK 13y ago
  >not be faced with comments that most often reiterate whatever's in the article anyway The comments are hidden by default it looks like, they won't be in your face unless you want them to be.
k-mcgrady 13y ago
Not a great start. Clicked subsribe and was brought to a page which said: "New Features. New Navigation. New Experience. Try the redesigned nytimes.com, just $5 for 12 weeks". So I signed up to give it a try and I've still got the old design. Edit: Just noticed an ad on the main page saying the design is actually coming on Jan 8th.
blueskin_ 13y ago
I really hope this isn't another bandwagoning AJAX infinite scroll implementation. When will people learn those are a bad idea?
BadassFractal 13y ago
Is this your doing, dnolen? :)
sp4ke 13y ago
The font aliasing is awful

85 points by stevewilhelm 13y ago

minimaxir 13y ago

Text renders oddly on Windows/Chrome (lots of kerning issues)

dded 13y ago
Did you actually find the redesigned site? When I go to nytimes.com, it doesn't look any different than it has for quite a while. The nytimes.com/redesign link itself vaguely reminds me of the Mavericks announcement page that Apple had up before they actually released it. In any case, nothing looks odd with kerning on Mac/Safari or Firefox.
- stevewilhelm 13y ago
  Front page indicates the redesign is coming Jan 8th.

alphakappa 13y ago

It's great to see newspapers trying to improve the reading experience itself (single page stories that aren't broken up into a dozen pages for pageviews, removing distractions etc), since many of the other news websites smother the user in advertisements, popovers and social media buttons to the point where it feels like you have to battle the site just to read the story itself. It remains to be seen how this redesign will feel in practice, but it seems to have all the right intentions. When it comes to news websites, my current favorite is the design for The Daily Beast.

tambourine_man 13y ago

Crashes iOS 7 Safari and Chrome on an iPhone 4S

baddox 13y ago
Isn't quite crash on iOS 7 Safari on iPad Air, but it felt like it would at any moment.

dredmorbius 13y ago

It'd be ... nice? useful? different? ... if I could get the video to play. Edit: Well, waddya know, it's downloadable. And in Ogg format ("Ogg data, Skeleton v4.0" per file(1)). So, no, doesn't work in my browser for whatever reason, but I can download and play it locally, which works better for me anyway. Of the changes, the depagination is probably one of the more useful to me. I've actually written my own CSS to drastically reformat how NY Times pages render (a few screenshots here, among others: http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1tm4ox/user_site_restyling_multicolumn_vs_fullwidth/ http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1tm4ox/user_site_res...) The side-to-side viewing stuff I've found really annoying on other sites, especially if it's tied in to arrow-key navigation or other stuff. I tend to find myself sliding off the page I want to be on.

ajays 13y ago

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but: I would love to subscribe to NYT digital editions, but why must the digital edition cost almost as much as the paper edition? Imagine the waste involved (in energy and materials)! Current home delivery rates are $8.75 for paper, and $5.00 for internet. That is simply too much. Bring it down to $1/week and we'll talk.

cageface 13y ago
Seriously? An extra dollar a month is a dealbreaker for you?
- ajays 13y ago
  I dunno, maybe our math is different, but how are you getting $1/month difference?
ddebernardy 13y ago
Not sure what you're complaining about... It's $5 for 12 weeks...
- abat 13y ago
  That's just the intro price. It's $5/WEEK if you want nytimes.com + tablet apps. That's $260/year instead of $22/year. I would gladly subscribe if the long term rate was $5 for 12 weeks. See full prices here: http://www.nytimes.com/subscriptions/Multiproduct/lp5558.html http://www.nytimes.com/subscriptions/Multiproduct/lp5558.htm...
  - fragsworth 13y ago
    Yeah, that's too much. And that's just for the NY Times... how many other sites are you supposed to pay for? I feel like there should be some technical way to handle letting a user pay a flat amount, and distribute the proceeds to the sites you actually visit, in a sort of fair way.
    - 13y ago

kunai 13y ago

Most of it is good, but the thing that kills it is the inline comments. When I want to get down and read an article, I want to get down and read the damn thing, not be faced with comments that most often reiterate whatever's in the article anyway. Keep the comments where they should be – AFTER the article.

crazygringo 13y ago
I wouldn't knock it until you see it. I'll be curious -- and NYT articles generally have curated "Times' Picks" comments that often genuinely add to the articles. Remember, most articles don't even have comments -- only the ones which the NYT deems comment-worthy, and they do put forth editorial efforts at quality control.
- danielweber 13y ago
  People who comment on the NYTimes are literate and can use full sentences. But beyond that it's about as useful as any other general-purpose comment board: a whole lot of self-selecting, self-important, in-group tribal bullshit.
ParkerK 13y ago
>not be faced with comments that most often reiterate whatever's in the article anyway The comments are hidden by default it looks like, they won't be in your face unless you want them to be.

k-mcgrady 13y ago

Not a great start. Clicked subsribe and was brought to a page which said: "New Features. New Navigation. New Experience. Try the redesigned nytimes.com, just $5 for 12 weeks". So I signed up to give it a try and I've still got the old design. Edit: Just noticed an ad on the main page saying the design is actually coming on Jan 8th.

blueskin_ 13y ago

I really hope this isn't another bandwagoning AJAX infinite scroll implementation. When will people learn those are a bad idea?

BadassFractal 13y ago

Is this your doing, dnolen? :)

sp4ke 13y ago

The font aliasing is awful