Thirded. I'm likely a textbook CSS "hater" according to wisty's post in this thread. But I don't hate CSS because I don't believe it is powerful, rather becau

Thirded. I'm likely a textbook CSS "hater" according to wisty's post in this thread. But I don't hate CSS because I don't believe it is powerful, rather because the amount of concepts and context-specific modalities you have to understand to do things that would be trivial with any other layout framework (like vertically center one thing in another thing) is absolutely bonkers. CSS gurus will often knee-jerk defend it from people who say things like that, but objective third-parties need only read through CSS questions on a site like stackoverflow to see a mountain of questions where someone is trying to accomplish something that is conceptually quite simple and they are faced with page after page of jsfiddle "answer" links that don't actually even fix the problem they were having because their layout implementation was using a different display model on the divs in question (or whatever other random context-specific thing that makes the actual solution non-universal). Being powerful is nice, and CSS is powerful, but there's something to be said about keeping the simple things simple and CSS fails massively on that.