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My point is that if you would simply pay attention to people's actions and words, instead of simply assuming some sort of weird groupthink along partylines, you
by natmaster 13y ago
My point is that if you would simply pay attention to people's actions and words, instead of simply assuming some sort of weird groupthink along partylines, you would have been able to predict people's actions like Obama. Because you have not done so, you claims about what would have been different are completely invalid.
It's not about Repulican or Democrat, both parties have many evil people in them. It's about the person. Just one simple example is that Obama voted for renewal of the Patriot Act. This alone should have been enough to not be surprised by this.
And yes, if Ron Paul had been elected, this would not have happened. 30 years of consistency.
- dllthomas 13y ago30 years of consistency, but also 30 years of not having much power. Power does change people. Whether it would have changed him enough to have mattered appreciably here, or whether other concerns would have dominated, who can say? I'd bet he would have been consistent on this point, but it's not a certainty.
- natmaster 13y agoWhat is certain is power didn't change Obama - he's always been that way, and you need to pay attention to people's past before you put faith in them.
- dllthomas 13y agoWhat is entirely more likely is that power did change Obama, because he is human and that is (studies show) how humans tend to work. What is more up in the air is whether it changed his position on surveillance. It's possible that it did not - but note that a vote on the Patriot Act is not directly a vote on this stuff, and that he spoke against similar stuff in the past.
- jacalata 13y agoYou know this is Rand Paul, not Ron, right?
- natmaster 13y agoRand Paul did not run for president in 2012. He has also only recently been elected as Senator, so he does not have a political record of 30 years.