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Only the life is unfair and the distribution of power is completely asymmetric here. You may actually need a positive reference about you and the company usuall

Only the life is unfair and the distribution of power is completely asymmetric here. You may actually need a positive reference about you and the company usually don't care what you say. You also don't have any way to verify and prosecute a company, if your former boss actually makes a negative comment about you (think a start-up, an immature founder gradually turning into a complete ass-hole under the pressure of real life and when feeling that you are deserting, when you decide to leave).

Florin_Andrei 13y ago
> the distribution of power is completely asymmetric here I'm pretty sure there is no fundamental law of the Universe that makes it so, only the fact that it is allowed to persist in this state by the multitudes who actually (but unknowingly, it seems) hold the power to change it. You know, "if only there was a way" for employees to unite, and therefore increase their bargaining power with employers.
- throwaway7808 13y ago
  I don't think that employee unions are helpful in the long term. I'd rather see individuals exercising some common sense and making good informed decisions. Like instantly recognizing bullies and not working for (with) them. Quitting, the moment such behaviour is directed toward anyone in the company. After all, if you see someone else being bullied/not paid/whatever, given time, there's a good chance it would apply to you as well.
  - kylemaxwell 13y ago
    It would be great if everyone were in a life situation to be able to do that. Unfortunately, most people are not.
  - Florin_Andrei 13y ago
    > I'd rather see individuals exercising some common sense and making good informed decisions. Make no mistake, I'd rather see that, too. But look around you. Is that how the real world really works? Is that the way of human nature? It sure is nice to lounge around in some libertarian ivory tower, and pontificate about how people are such rational agents, and all that nonsense. Whereas outside it's Hindbrain City all the way. Look at how most people choose their diet - and look at the effects thereof - just to name one out of many chronically idiotic decisions that the masses do. What you're proposing is not rational, it's a pipe dream (or the typical libertarian anti-union dogma). The rational thing is not to sit on your ass and do nothing. The rational thing is to recognize that there is a problem, get up, and fight.

Florin_Andrei 13y ago

> the distribution of power is completely asymmetric here I'm pretty sure there is no fundamental law of the Universe that makes it so, only the fact that it is allowed to persist in this state by the multitudes who actually (but unknowingly, it seems) hold the power to change it. You know, "if only there was a way" for employees to unite, and therefore increase their bargaining power with employers.

throwaway7808 13y ago
I don't think that employee unions are helpful in the long term. I'd rather see individuals exercising some common sense and making good informed decisions. Like instantly recognizing bullies and not working for (with) them. Quitting, the moment such behaviour is directed toward anyone in the company. After all, if you see someone else being bullied/not paid/whatever, given time, there's a good chance it would apply to you as well.
- kylemaxwell 13y ago
  It would be great if everyone were in a life situation to be able to do that. Unfortunately, most people are not.
- Florin_Andrei 13y ago
  > I'd rather see individuals exercising some common sense and making good informed decisions. Make no mistake, I'd rather see that, too. But look around you. Is that how the real world really works? Is that the way of human nature? It sure is nice to lounge around in some libertarian ivory tower, and pontificate about how people are such rational agents, and all that nonsense. Whereas outside it's Hindbrain City all the way. Look at how most people choose their diet - and look at the effects thereof - just to name one out of many chronically idiotic decisions that the masses do. What you're proposing is not rational, it's a pipe dream (or the typical libertarian anti-union dogma). The rational thing is not to sit on your ass and do nothing. The rational thing is to recognize that there is a problem, get up, and fight.