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Reality check: Outside of the Anglosphere, child support often tops out around a few hundred dollars/month. The average support level in France is ~$160/mo. Ho

Reality check: Outside of the Anglosphere, child support often tops out around a few hundred dollars/month. The average support level in France is ~$160/mo. How do those poor French mothers survive? >If anything, public education is a huge subsidy to employers. If left to their own devices, I doubt employers would choose to spend $11k/yr/pupil on fingerpainting and remedial math.

quinnchr 13y ago
It's almost as if France has a robust social safety net. Child support just might be less. if we had things like: 1) inexpensive municipal day care 2) tax breaks for families employing in-home child care workers 3) universal free preschool beginning at age 3. As to your last point I'm assuming you're implying that all women learn in K-12 is painting fingernails and remedial math, in which case, fuck you.
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago
  You don't know what fingerpainting is :( Re: Social safety net: That's why child support stops after the child turns three? (that's a joke for those who don't know it continues to 18)
  - quinnchr 13y ago
    Oh duh, finger painting, gotcha, my mistake. Why do you say remedial math though? Why would child support stop at 3 just because there's free preschool? You still have to provide all the other necessities of life like, you know, food and clothing.
rayiner 13y ago
Nobody has ever given a shit about what the French think. A child is the product of a father and a mother. When parents don't stay together, the only logical way to divide the burden of raising a child is to allocate 50% of the monetary expenses and 50% of the labor to each parent. Anything that allocates less than this to fathers is a huge subsidy from women to men. As for employers, finger-painting is pre-K, which isn't universally free in the states. Starting in Kindergarten, education starts with basic literacy. The production of a literate and numerate workforce is a huge subsidy to employers. The crack about remedial math actually undermines your position: its remedial math that creates the huge population of people who have enough basic numeracy to operate a cash register, thus driving the cost of cashiers down to almost nothing. Also, the high supply of literate and numerate labor drives down the wages of each marginal employee, allowing employers to capture a higher percentage of the value generated by the employee. If an employer makes $25 per hour off of someone he pays $10, and public education makes that person employable, then right there the employer benefits mord from education than the employee. Finally, remember that in the states education is funded by property taxes, which are largely paid for by families and not businesses. So families pay most of that $11k per year, not businesses. And leaving aside the benefit to employers, why do you call K12 a subsidy to mothers, rather than both fathers and mothers equally?
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago
  The crack was about it costing $11k/yr, not that remedial math is bad.

quinnchr 13y ago

It's almost as if France has a robust social safety net. Child support just might be less. if we had things like: 1) inexpensive municipal day care 2) tax breaks for families employing in-home child care workers 3) universal free preschool beginning at age 3. As to your last point I'm assuming you're implying that all women learn in K-12 is painting fingernails and remedial math, in which case, fuck you.

alexeisadeski3 13y ago
You don't know what fingerpainting is :( Re: Social safety net: That's why child support stops after the child turns three? (that's a joke for those who don't know it continues to 18)
- quinnchr 13y ago
  Oh duh, finger painting, gotcha, my mistake. Why do you say remedial math though? Why would child support stop at 3 just because there's free preschool? You still have to provide all the other necessities of life like, you know, food and clothing.

rayiner 13y ago

Nobody has ever given a shit about what the French think. A child is the product of a father and a mother. When parents don't stay together, the only logical way to divide the burden of raising a child is to allocate 50% of the monetary expenses and 50% of the labor to each parent. Anything that allocates less than this to fathers is a huge subsidy from women to men. As for employers, finger-painting is pre-K, which isn't universally free in the states. Starting in Kindergarten, education starts with basic literacy. The production of a literate and numerate workforce is a huge subsidy to employers. The crack about remedial math actually undermines your position: its remedial math that creates the huge population of people who have enough basic numeracy to operate a cash register, thus driving the cost of cashiers down to almost nothing. Also, the high supply of literate and numerate labor drives down the wages of each marginal employee, allowing employers to capture a higher percentage of the value generated by the employee. If an employer makes $25 per hour off of someone he pays $10, and public education makes that person employable, then right there the employer benefits mord from education than the employee. Finally, remember that in the states education is funded by property taxes, which are largely paid for by families and not businesses. So families pay most of that $11k per year, not businesses. And leaving aside the benefit to employers, why do you call K12 a subsidy to mothers, rather than both fathers and mothers equally?

alexeisadeski3 13y ago
The crack was about it costing $11k/yr, not that remedial math is bad.