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The problem is you appear to live in a fantasy land. I only read the second paragraph, but it is one of the stupidest things I've ever read (sorry, that is a ha

The problem is you appear to live in a fantasy land. I only read the second paragraph, but it is one of the stupidest things I've ever read (sorry, that is a harsh thing to say, but I think this requires a reply this strong). "Work from the moment you wake up until you go to sleep. Take your breakfast while reviewing your to-do list for the day. Work a few hours. At lunch, discuss with your team what’s the best solution for that problem. Work some more. At dinner, have a great meal with your loving ones and tell them what’s going on with work. Feel free to ask them for their opinion. After that, go back to work, of course – it’s time to answer to those emails, and read a decent book about a topic of your industry. Have a good night’s sleep." This is incredibly self-centered. What about what your loved ones have been up to (as one tiny example?). And god-forbid you have any children. You need to get THEM breakfast on a morning. Perhaps, maybe, you should spend some time with your "loved ones" on an evening, other than just telling them about your work over dinner then disappearing off to work? I would hate to be your "loved one". CLARIFYING EDIT: This isn't intended to be a personal attack on Daniel's life (which I don't know anything about), just my raw opinions as I read the first two paragraphs of his blog article, hopefully to help him understand why some people took harshly against it.

3am 13y ago
"I would hate to be your loved one." Is there any need to be that mean spirited about it? I think a sizeable quiet minority is underwhelmed by the work ethic philosophies discussions on HN. I don't think I'd go as far as the submitter, but I don't think I'd categorize it as "incredibly self-centered". edit: to the submitter, I don't think it was bad english or your tone. Some people are unable to consume opinions they disagree with. My unsolicited advice: just continue to be true to yourself and write what you think, you can never keep certain people happy.
- CJefferson 13y ago
  You are right, what I have written comes across as a personal attack and I'm sorry for that. I should have said "I would hate to be the loved one described in the first two paragraphs of this article". However, I do stand by this adjusted point -- I would not stay in a relationship which operated as described in the first two paragraphs of this article (which, to clarify, I'm not saying is how Daniel's relationship really is -- just how his blog post comes across).
  - 3am 13y ago
    I try to avoid posting about tone because I don't think they add to the discussion and a lot of the time aren't received well. Thanks for the response. And I don't entirely disagree with you either... my read of the post was it was an exhortation to be passionate about purposeful about work, not really an itinerary planner around one's day. But if I interpreted it differently, I would have a different opinion. I also think the work/dinner discussion suggestion was something I'd try very hard to avoid in my own life :)
    - danielflopes 13y ago
      Thank you both for the responses. It was my intention to hear the opinion of the HN community. But, may you agree or not with my post, I believe a good discussion should always be about giving some constructive feedback in a friendly tone. Thanks CJefferson for clarifying your response. Thanks 3am for the giving the heads up. Sincerely.
- eevilspock 13y ago
  It's not mean spirited, it's an honest reaction, one that I myself felt. Lopes is baffled and is asking HN for the truth, not for commiseration. "I'm interested in knowing the point of view from the people of HN." By "point of view" I don't think he wants anything less than the point of view. By the way, the 10% who abandoned their subscriptions probably did so silently out of politeness.
DanielStraight 13y ago
Do not forget what happened when people took PG's words out of context and judged them in haste just a few days ago. I urge you to go back and read the full article as well as the author's comments here before passing judgment. I think everyone deserves at least to be heard out.
- CJefferson 13y ago
  I should have said more clearly, that my aim was to give a raw dump of my opinions of reading the article, answering the question "Why did this post lose me 10% of subscribers", including just stopping after 2 paragraphs. I'm sure that Daniel Flopes (who I don't know) is a nice guy, and my quick reading of one blog post do not do him justice. However, the beginning of this article really does (to me) almost read like a parody. Looking back at the original article, we do (eventually) get to the point where we get to "take a break" and have hobbies and holidays, but the start doesn't say that, and I would have stopped before I got to that point. We then however get into an article about how one person (Sam Walton) we are told (with no reference) worked every day, and became very successful. There are (of course) plenty of people who became successful without never talking to their families, and plenty of people who worked themselves into an early grave. The other problem with this blog post is that it is written in a strange style, saying (for example) "Forget the idea about how much fun others are getting in the Caribbean Islands. You choosed work. Your life is work.". I'm not clear why the author of this blog thinks I chose work, why my life is work? I think this is an issue of the wrong tense being used, or an unusual writing style, but I get unhappy when I am being told false statements about my life.
- danielflopes 13y ago
  Thanks Daniel!

3am 13y ago

"I would hate to be your loved one." Is there any need to be that mean spirited about it? I think a sizeable quiet minority is underwhelmed by the work ethic philosophies discussions on HN. I don't think I'd go as far as the submitter, but I don't think I'd categorize it as "incredibly self-centered". edit: to the submitter, I don't think it was bad english or your tone. Some people are unable to consume opinions they disagree with. My unsolicited advice: just continue to be true to yourself and write what you think, you can never keep certain people happy.

CJefferson 13y ago
You are right, what I have written comes across as a personal attack and I'm sorry for that. I should have said "I would hate to be the loved one described in the first two paragraphs of this article". However, I do stand by this adjusted point -- I would not stay in a relationship which operated as described in the first two paragraphs of this article (which, to clarify, I'm not saying is how Daniel's relationship really is -- just how his blog post comes across).
- 3am 13y ago
  I try to avoid posting about tone because I don't think they add to the discussion and a lot of the time aren't received well. Thanks for the response. And I don't entirely disagree with you either... my read of the post was it was an exhortation to be passionate about purposeful about work, not really an itinerary planner around one's day. But if I interpreted it differently, I would have a different opinion. I also think the work/dinner discussion suggestion was something I'd try very hard to avoid in my own life :)
  - danielflopes 13y ago
    Thank you both for the responses. It was my intention to hear the opinion of the HN community. But, may you agree or not with my post, I believe a good discussion should always be about giving some constructive feedback in a friendly tone. Thanks CJefferson for clarifying your response. Thanks 3am for the giving the heads up. Sincerely.
eevilspock 13y ago
It's not mean spirited, it's an honest reaction, one that I myself felt. Lopes is baffled and is asking HN for the truth, not for commiseration. "I'm interested in knowing the point of view from the people of HN." By "point of view" I don't think he wants anything less than the point of view. By the way, the 10% who abandoned their subscriptions probably did so silently out of politeness.

DanielStraight 13y ago

Do not forget what happened when people took PG's words out of context and judged them in haste just a few days ago. I urge you to go back and read the full article as well as the author's comments here before passing judgment. I think everyone deserves at least to be heard out.

CJefferson 13y ago
I should have said more clearly, that my aim was to give a raw dump of my opinions of reading the article, answering the question "Why did this post lose me 10% of subscribers", including just stopping after 2 paragraphs. I'm sure that Daniel Flopes (who I don't know) is a nice guy, and my quick reading of one blog post do not do him justice. However, the beginning of this article really does (to me) almost read like a parody. Looking back at the original article, we do (eventually) get to the point where we get to "take a break" and have hobbies and holidays, but the start doesn't say that, and I would have stopped before I got to that point. We then however get into an article about how one person (Sam Walton) we are told (with no reference) worked every day, and became very successful. There are (of course) plenty of people who became successful without never talking to their families, and plenty of people who worked themselves into an early grave. The other problem with this blog post is that it is written in a strange style, saying (for example) "Forget the idea about how much fun others are getting in the Caribbean Islands. You choosed work. Your life is work.". I'm not clear why the author of this blog thinks I chose work, why my life is work? I think this is an issue of the wrong tense being used, or an unusual writing style, but I get unhappy when I am being told false statements about my life.
danielflopes 13y ago
Thanks Daniel!