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I tried to read that conversation in a neutral light, because I think RMS and JWZ are both kind of ... polarizing personalities, but RMS really came off as a st

I tried to read that conversation in a neutral light, because I think RMS and JWZ are both kind of ... polarizing personalities, but RMS really came off as a stubborn, ineffective whiner in that whole thread. In particular "you hired away my maintainer" is a pathetic excuse for not releasing something for so long. Anybody could have hired away your maintainer, and you'd have to soldier on; it has no relevance that your maintainer went to a "competing" (in your territorial view) project. I also read the argument about the redesign of the event system and was pretty flabbergasted. The argument seems to reduce to "lucid emacs decided to design a proper event datatype because having an event be entirely represented by a simple integer keycode both lost information and made it impossible to represent certain keystrokes" versus "but ints are simple and backward compatible!"

lmm 13y ago
Funny, I had the opposite view. I guess your opinion of the personalities really does change everything.
- hamburglar 13y ago
  There is one (and only one) other possibility, which is that you and I both read the conversation with flawless objectivity, and that you are wrong. :D
pygy_ 13y ago
Poaching the lead dev to work on your own fork is a hostile move, and in my book, it provides a reasonable excuse for the delays, since nobody was able to take his succession immediately. The guys at Lucid also barely communicated for long periods of time, making collaboration impossible.
- BostX 13y ago
  > Poaching the lead dev to work on your own fork is a hostile move That's an argument one can use when asked to spend more time with kids. > it provides a reasonable excuse for the delays, since nobody was able to take his succession immediately Huh?!? Open Source model not working or what?
  - belorn 13y ago
    >> it provides a reasonable excuse for the delays, since nobody was able to take his succession immediately > Huh?!? Open Source model not working or what? I guess its only illusion and crazy lawyers who like to add anti-poaching clauses in employee contracts. If a company can't handle loosing their top engineers, clearly its the the proprietary model that is not working.

lmm 13y ago

Funny, I had the opposite view. I guess your opinion of the personalities really does change everything.

hamburglar 13y ago
There is one (and only one) other possibility, which is that you and I both read the conversation with flawless objectivity, and that you are wrong. :D

pygy_ 13y ago

Poaching the lead dev to work on your own fork is a hostile move, and in my book, it provides a reasonable excuse for the delays, since nobody was able to take his succession immediately. The guys at Lucid also barely communicated for long periods of time, making collaboration impossible.

BostX 13y ago
> Poaching the lead dev to work on your own fork is a hostile move That's an argument one can use when asked to spend more time with kids. > it provides a reasonable excuse for the delays, since nobody was able to take his succession immediately Huh?!? Open Source model not working or what?
- belorn 13y ago
  >> it provides a reasonable excuse for the delays, since nobody was able to take his succession immediately > Huh?!? Open Source model not working or what? I guess its only illusion and crazy lawyers who like to add anti-poaching clauses in employee contracts. If a company can't handle loosing their top engineers, clearly its the the proprietary model that is not working.