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Buy a $200 soekris box and install openbsd or m0n0wall on it, or on any old pc you have lying around with 2 network cards.

rosser 13y ago
Because that totally solves this problem for my mom... (No, not my mom specifically; I gave her a router with Tomato installed for, among other things, exactly this reason. But not everyone has a technologist for a son, let alone one who knows what he's doing well enough to install m0n0wall on a Soekris box, or even Tomato on an old WRT54G*.)
yuvadam 13y ago
Or, you know, any $30 OpenWRT-supported router.
- gry 13y ago
  Tell me, either way a Soekris box or an OpenWRT compatible router, how this brings a solution to the masses.
  - gwu78 13y ago
    Take orders on Kickstarter for "open source router". You order the Soekris boxes on behalf of the crowdfunders. You image your chosen open source OS on blank CF cards, bundle the CF cards together with the Soekris boxes and ship these to the crowdfunders as the "open source router". If you want to bring a solution to the masses out of the goodness of your heart and you are motivated, then nothing is stopping you.
  - wtallis 13y ago
    There is no purely technological solution for the masses. Actually solving the problem requires either a political revolution to make shipping backdoors like this criminal rather than a favor to the government, or educating users enough that they can protect themselves with the existing technological methods that are easy to deploy given basic computer literacy. It's not really clear which one is less impossible.
    - VMG 13y ago
      this kind of stuff is far beyond basic computer literacy
      - wtallis 13y ago
        No its not. Installing Tomato or DD-WRT is only very slightly more complicated than configuring your router with non-default passwords, and you really shouldn't be considered at all computer literate if you don't know how to take even the first step to secure your network.
    - balabaster 13y ago
      Even making it criminal won't work - don't you know the NSA and the government are above the law. They have government endorsed hackers who are known to be actively exploiting these systems... but if you, Joe Public, are caught doing this, you're thrown in jail under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. So even if it is made criminal, it'll only be criminal for you... if it's government mandated, however, it's fine.

rosser 13y ago

Because that totally solves this problem for my mom... (No, not my mom specifically; I gave her a router with Tomato installed for, among other things, exactly this reason. But not everyone has a technologist for a son, let alone one who knows what he's doing well enough to install m0n0wall on a Soekris box, or even Tomato on an old WRT54G*.)

yuvadam 13y ago

Or, you know, any $30 OpenWRT-supported router.

gry 13y ago
Tell me, either way a Soekris box or an OpenWRT compatible router, how this brings a solution to the masses.
- gwu78 13y ago
  Take orders on Kickstarter for "open source router". You order the Soekris boxes on behalf of the crowdfunders. You image your chosen open source OS on blank CF cards, bundle the CF cards together with the Soekris boxes and ship these to the crowdfunders as the "open source router". If you want to bring a solution to the masses out of the goodness of your heart and you are motivated, then nothing is stopping you.
- wtallis 13y ago
  There is no purely technological solution for the masses. Actually solving the problem requires either a political revolution to make shipping backdoors like this criminal rather than a favor to the government, or educating users enough that they can protect themselves with the existing technological methods that are easy to deploy given basic computer literacy. It's not really clear which one is less impossible.
  - VMG 13y ago
    this kind of stuff is far beyond basic computer literacy
    - wtallis 13y ago
      No its not. Installing Tomato or DD-WRT is only very slightly more complicated than configuring your router with non-default passwords, and you really shouldn't be considered at all computer literate if you don't know how to take even the first step to secure your network.
  - balabaster 13y ago
    Even making it criminal won't work - don't you know the NSA and the government are above the law. They have government endorsed hackers who are known to be actively exploiting these systems... but if you, Joe Public, are caught doing this, you're thrown in jail under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. So even if it is made criminal, it'll only be criminal for you... if it's government mandated, however, it's fine.