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Here's an idea. Leave everything up and running on a desktop safely inside your own home and connected to the internet 24/7. Bring your own barebones laptop w

Here's an idea. Leave everything up and running on a desktop safely inside your own home and connected to the internet 24/7. Bring your own barebones laptop with nothing installed on it to COUNTRY_PARANOID_OF_EVERYTHING. Using X11 forwarding, one must only remember the password to their home desktop in order to gain full access to it and all of it's graphical programs. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Secure_Shell#X11_forwarding https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Secure_Shell#X11_forwar...

znowi 13y ago
Here's another novel idea. How about to fucking riot and repel this policy? So far, the reaction on intrusion of privacy by the government from the people was to circumvent it, go underground. A reaction commonly expected from a country like Soviet Union where people had zero say on the rulings and had to be creative to avoid surveillance. I'm saddened to see a similar attitude in the US.
- deleted 13y ago
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- philwelch 13y ago
  We tried electing a civil libertarian constitution scholar for President. What exactly are we supposed to try next?
  - haswell 13y ago
    I think the only answer is to keep trying. I think there will come a point where even the non-technical masses will understand just how backwards everything has become. And upon this growing understanding a future libertarian / constitution scholar will run, and run successfully.
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  - mindslight 13y ago
    lol. Quoting GP: > riot ~50% of people have already determined that voting isn't worth their time - wise up and get with the program. The jury box has been thoroughly pwned as well. Traditionally, the remaining step is the ammo box. But that lacks popular support because people are well fed, so we might as well try to turn things around this new fangled computational b0x before that stops being the case.
  - _cipher_ 13y ago
    Do not act like sheep perhaps? NSA/etc has been fucking with people's rights for so long and I'm surprised that their main building is not yet burned down. Someone one time said "[..] by the people, for the people [..]". If you think that your responsibility begins and ends with a simple vote, you're far away from reality. ;)
    - philwelch 13y ago
      > NSA/etc has been fucking with people's rights for so long and I'm surprised that their main building is not yet burned down. The last time someone attacked a federal office building it did not end well.
  - scintill76 13y ago
    Obama? I think the reasons he got elected have more to do with being young, charismatic, kind of hip, and "not as bad as the other guy." I mean, I agree with the idea that if a Constitutional law professor allows this stuff to happen on his watch, we're sunk. But I wouldn't describe it as "we tried electing a civil libertarian constitution scholar." We elected a "rock star" politician who happens to have taught Constitutional law in a past life, and paid lip service to liberty for his biggest supporters.
    - philwelch 13y ago
      There's more than that though--he actually had a record on civil liberties dating back to the Illinois State Senate, where he pushed through legislation to videotape police interrogations.
      - scintill76 13y ago
        Fair enough. I don't know if he really has enough of a record as a politician to judge by, but that's a different issue. I guess his academic credentials, career history, and whatever amount of legislative work for civil rights is good enough for this point. Thanks.
plg 13y ago
Tails is a good use case for this. https://tails.boum.org/ https://tails.boum.org/
- GigabyteCoin 13y ago
  For the ultra paranoid I would suggest learning what Tails is comprised of, how to build your own arch linux system, and then re-creating your own flavour of Tails.
  - quantumpotato_ 13y ago
    Don't forget to build your own hardware and compilers. c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack
riobard 13y ago
Only if bandwidth, latency, and network connectivity are an issue.
- GigabyteCoin 13y ago
  Why is that?
  - kijin 13y ago
    The vast majority of Americans have their "desktop at home" connected to crappy DSL or Cable connections with even crappier upload speeds. Trying to browse your photo collection over a 1Mbps connection ain't fun.
    - GigabyteCoin 13y ago
      Which is why I was wondering why OP asked the question: Only if bandwidth, latency, and network connectivity are an issue. Perhaps he meant "...are NOT an issue." ???
      - riobard 13y ago
        Oops, my bad… meant to type “aren't” there but somehow missed it :(
ivanca 13y ago
'Sir, have you been giving advice that could potentially aid terrorists in some site called "Hacker News"? And by the way, does that mean you are hacker? One of those who like to break online banking and stuff?'
stock_toaster 13y ago
ship an encrypted backup disk to your destination (hotel?) and restore from it on arrival, and install/pave clean os for travel?
- GigabyteCoin 13y ago
  I like your thinking. Most reputable hotels will act as temporary PO boxes for their current or future customers.
alan_cx 13y ago
Why? Why not just put any data you are worried about on a very small storage medium? Hide that and smuggle it through. Concealing a small SD card must be a lot easier than buggering about with elaborate, and there for suspicious, schemes. Let the TSA do what they like with the laptop. Oh, and whats this assumption about running a safe PC from home? You have read the Snowden stuff, right? And even if you cant go with all that, if you are at the US border, while your PC is in , er, Berlin, who says that as you stand there spooks are at your house raiding all the data they like? You know, if you are of that much interest to the authorities. And if you are not, SD card type thing. Lastly, if one is all doom and gloom (maybe a bit foil hat) about this stuff, like me, I'd assume the buggers had the data I was worried about anyway, if I at some point it had been on an electronic device with communications capabilities.
- GigabyteCoin 13y ago
  Smuggling data across borders as you suggested could land you in a much larger world of hurt than bringing across a clean laptop, I would imagine. If your desktop was on 24/7 and you're the one who set it up, it would be trivial to determine if somebody other than yourself had physically accessed it. Applebaum's computer equipment was turned off when he left Berlin from what I understand.
  - keithnoizu 13y ago
    maybe but a condom and a micro sd card probably isn't super detectable.
- 6d0debc071 13y ago
  > Oh, and whats this assumption about running a safe PC from home? You have read the Snowden stuff, right? And even if you cant go with all that, if you are at the US border, while your PC is in , er, Berlin, who says that as you stand there spooks are at your house raiding all the data they like? You know, if you are of that much interest to the authorities. And if you are not, SD card type thing. ------------------------- Encrypt files with a suitably long pass-phrase, upload to some random server somewhere, set home computer to keep over-writing its HD & memory/whatever data-destroying activity you favour. Travel to other country, buy a laptop from a store selected by fair dice throw, download file and decrypt it.
dredmorbius 13y ago
https://tails.boum.org/ https://tails.boum.org/ Mentioned by Jacob Applebaum in "To Protect and Infect" from 30c3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILAlhwUgIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILAlhwUgIU
ADent 13y ago
Here is another idea - they follow the constitution. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"

znowi 13y ago

Here's another novel idea. How about to fucking riot and repel this policy? So far, the reaction on intrusion of privacy by the government from the people was to circumvent it, go underground. A reaction commonly expected from a country like Soviet Union where people had zero say on the rulings and had to be creative to avoid surveillance. I'm saddened to see a similar attitude in the US.

deleted 13y ago
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philwelch 13y ago
We tried electing a civil libertarian constitution scholar for President. What exactly are we supposed to try next?
- haswell 13y ago
  I think the only answer is to keep trying. I think there will come a point where even the non-technical masses will understand just how backwards everything has become. And upon this growing understanding a future libertarian / constitution scholar will run, and run successfully.
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
- mindslight 13y ago
  lol. Quoting GP: > riot ~50% of people have already determined that voting isn't worth their time - wise up and get with the program. The jury box has been thoroughly pwned as well. Traditionally, the remaining step is the ammo box. But that lacks popular support because people are well fed, so we might as well try to turn things around this new fangled computational b0x before that stops being the case.
- _cipher_ 13y ago
  Do not act like sheep perhaps? NSA/etc has been fucking with people's rights for so long and I'm surprised that their main building is not yet burned down. Someone one time said "[..] by the people, for the people [..]". If you think that your responsibility begins and ends with a simple vote, you're far away from reality. ;)
  - philwelch 13y ago
    > NSA/etc has been fucking with people's rights for so long and I'm surprised that their main building is not yet burned down. The last time someone attacked a federal office building it did not end well.
- scintill76 13y ago
  Obama? I think the reasons he got elected have more to do with being young, charismatic, kind of hip, and "not as bad as the other guy." I mean, I agree with the idea that if a Constitutional law professor allows this stuff to happen on his watch, we're sunk. But I wouldn't describe it as "we tried electing a civil libertarian constitution scholar." We elected a "rock star" politician who happens to have taught Constitutional law in a past life, and paid lip service to liberty for his biggest supporters.
  - philwelch 13y ago
    There's more than that though--he actually had a record on civil liberties dating back to the Illinois State Senate, where he pushed through legislation to videotape police interrogations.
    - scintill76 13y ago
      Fair enough. I don't know if he really has enough of a record as a politician to judge by, but that's a different issue. I guess his academic credentials, career history, and whatever amount of legislative work for civil rights is good enough for this point. Thanks.

plg 13y ago

Tails is a good use case for this. https://tails.boum.org/ https://tails.boum.org/

GigabyteCoin 13y ago
For the ultra paranoid I would suggest learning what Tails is comprised of, how to build your own arch linux system, and then re-creating your own flavour of Tails.
- quantumpotato_ 13y ago
  Don't forget to build your own hardware and compilers. c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack

riobard 13y ago

Only if bandwidth, latency, and network connectivity are an issue.

GigabyteCoin 13y ago
Why is that?
- kijin 13y ago
  The vast majority of Americans have their "desktop at home" connected to crappy DSL or Cable connections with even crappier upload speeds. Trying to browse your photo collection over a 1Mbps connection ain't fun.
  - GigabyteCoin 13y ago
    Which is why I was wondering why OP asked the question: Only if bandwidth, latency, and network connectivity are an issue. Perhaps he meant "...are NOT an issue." ???
    - riobard 13y ago
      Oops, my bad… meant to type “aren't” there but somehow missed it :(

ivanca 13y ago

'Sir, have you been giving advice that could potentially aid terrorists in some site called "Hacker News"? And by the way, does that mean you are hacker? One of those who like to break online banking and stuff?'

stock_toaster 13y ago

ship an encrypted backup disk to your destination (hotel?) and restore from it on arrival, and install/pave clean os for travel?

GigabyteCoin 13y ago
I like your thinking. Most reputable hotels will act as temporary PO boxes for their current or future customers.

alan_cx 13y ago

Why? Why not just put any data you are worried about on a very small storage medium? Hide that and smuggle it through. Concealing a small SD card must be a lot easier than buggering about with elaborate, and there for suspicious, schemes. Let the TSA do what they like with the laptop. Oh, and whats this assumption about running a safe PC from home? You have read the Snowden stuff, right? And even if you cant go with all that, if you are at the US border, while your PC is in , er, Berlin, who says that as you stand there spooks are at your house raiding all the data they like? You know, if you are of that much interest to the authorities. And if you are not, SD card type thing. Lastly, if one is all doom and gloom (maybe a bit foil hat) about this stuff, like me, I'd assume the buggers had the data I was worried about anyway, if I at some point it had been on an electronic device with communications capabilities.

GigabyteCoin 13y ago
Smuggling data across borders as you suggested could land you in a much larger world of hurt than bringing across a clean laptop, I would imagine. If your desktop was on 24/7 and you're the one who set it up, it would be trivial to determine if somebody other than yourself had physically accessed it. Applebaum's computer equipment was turned off when he left Berlin from what I understand.
- keithnoizu 13y ago
  maybe but a condom and a micro sd card probably isn't super detectable.
6d0debc071 13y ago
> Oh, and whats this assumption about running a safe PC from home? You have read the Snowden stuff, right? And even if you cant go with all that, if you are at the US border, while your PC is in , er, Berlin, who says that as you stand there spooks are at your house raiding all the data they like? You know, if you are of that much interest to the authorities. And if you are not, SD card type thing. ------------------------- Encrypt files with a suitably long pass-phrase, upload to some random server somewhere, set home computer to keep over-writing its HD & memory/whatever data-destroying activity you favour. Travel to other country, buy a laptop from a store selected by fair dice throw, download file and decrypt it.

dredmorbius 13y ago

https://tails.boum.org/ https://tails.boum.org/ Mentioned by Jacob Applebaum in "To Protect and Infect" from 30c3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILAlhwUgIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILAlhwUgIU

ADent 13y ago

Here is another idea - they follow the constitution. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"