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While this is a rehash of exactly the pattern we saw as Android grew ("Shipments not sales. Haven't seen one in a coffee shop. No one in my family. Some web sta

While this is a rehash of exactly the pattern we saw as Android grew ("Shipments not sales. Haven't seen one in a coffee shop. No one in my family. Some web stat source says..."), with the same players regurgitating their old hits, I do wonder why people trust StatCounter so much? StatCounter relies upon subject sites adding a bit of code that reports back to StatCounter, giving them their metrics. Curious, I inspected every single site I visit in a typical day, and zero of them have the StatCounter code. I am invisible to StatCounter. I don't roll with Chromebook, so not really relevant in this case, but it's interesting how frequently StatCounter is used to make some proclamation or other with no one ever questioning what their coverage is.

katcooke 13y ago
Regardless of Statcounter, counting only the commercial channel sales, that too only preconfigured(most enterprise sales are customized big orders) and not counting retail sales skews the statistics by a lot. Chromebooks may be outselling Macbooks, but looking at only ""US B2B sales using distribution partners." is downright misleading.
bane 13y ago
> Haven't seen one in a coffee shop. No one in my family. Some web stat source says..."), with the same players regurgitating their old hits, I do wonder why people trust StatCounter so much? And what has the actual result been over time? Are we looking for confirmation anecdotes in the wrong places? It seems to me that many of those early stats turned out to be true. For example, Android devices dominates the global smartphone market at over 80%. That's either a lot of shipped but not sold devices sitting on shelves filling up every inch of floor space in retail stores around the world, or this kind of stat tracking has some validity.
- eli 13y ago
  Not disagreeing with you, but it's interesting that iPhone still dominates Android in metrics that measure actual use (go check android vs iphone in your web logs, for example).
  - bane 13y ago
    Yeah, that's true. I wonder if that's an artifact of the sites used by populations in different countries. A U.S. site would bias towards U.S. users which is not entirely dominated by Android devices.
    - eli 13y ago
      I wonder if the availability of really cheap (and often crappy) Android phones skews the stats. At least in the US you can get a "free" one with a new plan. I suspect the people who get those phones are far less likely to use apps or websites. It would be easy enough to test the location theory: just slice your web traffic by country or find someone with a big non-US site
      - bane 13y ago
        > At least in the US you can get a "free" one with a new plan. Unless something has changed, you still end up with a data plan which is expensive if you don't plan on using it at all. I suspect something else is going on with the reported stats, but I'm not sure what it is. I'd really like to see some more in depth research on this phenomenon whatever the cause is.
    - eli 13y ago
      Also, pretty sure there are more Android devices than Apple even just in the US. http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2013/11/comScore_Reports_September_2013_U.S._Smartphone_Subscriber_Market_Share http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2013/11/comS...

katcooke 13y ago

Regardless of Statcounter, counting only the commercial channel sales, that too only preconfigured(most enterprise sales are customized big orders) and not counting retail sales skews the statistics by a lot. Chromebooks may be outselling Macbooks, but looking at only ""US B2B sales using distribution partners." is downright misleading.

bane 13y ago

> Haven't seen one in a coffee shop. No one in my family. Some web stat source says..."), with the same players regurgitating their old hits, I do wonder why people trust StatCounter so much? And what has the actual result been over time? Are we looking for confirmation anecdotes in the wrong places? It seems to me that many of those early stats turned out to be true. For example, Android devices dominates the global smartphone market at over 80%. That's either a lot of shipped but not sold devices sitting on shelves filling up every inch of floor space in retail stores around the world, or this kind of stat tracking has some validity.

eli 13y ago
Not disagreeing with you, but it's interesting that iPhone still dominates Android in metrics that measure actual use (go check android vs iphone in your web logs, for example).
- bane 13y ago
  Yeah, that's true. I wonder if that's an artifact of the sites used by populations in different countries. A U.S. site would bias towards U.S. users which is not entirely dominated by Android devices.
  - eli 13y ago
    I wonder if the availability of really cheap (and often crappy) Android phones skews the stats. At least in the US you can get a "free" one with a new plan. I suspect the people who get those phones are far less likely to use apps or websites. It would be easy enough to test the location theory: just slice your web traffic by country or find someone with a big non-US site
    - bane 13y ago
      > At least in the US you can get a "free" one with a new plan. Unless something has changed, you still end up with a data plan which is expensive if you don't plan on using it at all. I suspect something else is going on with the reported stats, but I'm not sure what it is. I'd really like to see some more in depth research on this phenomenon whatever the cause is.
  - eli 13y ago
    Also, pretty sure there are more Android devices than Apple even just in the US. http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2013/11/comScore_Reports_September_2013_U.S._Smartphone_Subscriber_Market_Share http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2013/11/comS...