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Jacob made this assertion in his talk but presented no evidence. He explicitly said he wanted to call out the companies because they should be held accountable

by JunkDNA 13y ago

Jacob made this assertion in his talk but presented no evidence. He explicitly said he wanted to call out the companies because they should be held accountable if they were complicit in this. But no evidence was presented that any of the hardware companies were coordinating with the NSA. Given that jail breaking continues to exist, it is entirely possible that Apple and other companies are victims of security exploits identified by the NSA. That being said, it would be good to get some companies on record on this.

sentenza 13y ago
Some clarification from the companies would certainly be nice, but for me and many others, the damage has already been done. If you start your company today and put all your stuff on newly bought Apple machines (or Windows boxen), in case your stuff is stolen by the NSA or GCHQ or whoever in five years time, you will recieve (and deserve?) little compassion: When you complain, people will tell you that you should have known. After all, you started after the Snowden affair caused "all of us" to lose trust in these companies. I'm starting to arrange myself with the "new" situation to maintain my sanity. If there is some life-or-death info, that should go into a crypto-container on an airgap linux box. For everything else, I'll have to become accustomed to the thought that there is someone out there who can get at it if they want and that all my efforts can make it only marginally more difficult for them.
iheartmemcache 13y ago
> Jacob made this assertion in his talk but presented no evidence. He based this assertion on an NSA slide that said 100% of iPhones could be tapped. In the rest of the talk there was frequent mention (in bulletpoints or even more interestingly graphs) of efficacy rates, and as I recall most were between 50-80 percent. Apple was the only slide cited with 100% which is why this was noteworthy.
- gte910h 13y ago
  As apple has few phones with large quantities of users, I am not surprised. I think you'll find similar penetration levels for any phone with lots of users It's a resources/efficacy decision on the part of the NSA for targeting. It's the same reason there were "no" mac viruses for many years: there were far more windows users to target.
- droopybuns 13y ago
  Further add context: Charlie Miller (that apple 0day guy) is ex NSA. In 2009 or so, he made huge waves with his iphone hacks. I also find it appaling how widely revered charlie is. In this context, he is clearly an example of the kind of hacker we should be fucking shaming. No more free bugs finds its logical conclusion. 0xcharlie: NSA stooge.

by JunkDNA 13y ago

sentenza 13y ago

Some clarification from the companies would certainly be nice, but for me and many others, the damage has already been done. If you start your company today and put all your stuff on newly bought Apple machines (or Windows boxen), in case your stuff is stolen by the NSA or GCHQ or whoever in five years time, you will recieve (and deserve?) little compassion: When you complain, people will tell you that you should have known. After all, you started after the Snowden affair caused "all of us" to lose trust in these companies. I'm starting to arrange myself with the "new" situation to maintain my sanity. If there is some life-or-death info, that should go into a crypto-container on an airgap linux box. For everything else, I'll have to become accustomed to the thought that there is someone out there who can get at it if they want and that all my efforts can make it only marginally more difficult for them.

iheartmemcache 13y ago

> Jacob made this assertion in his talk but presented no evidence. He based this assertion on an NSA slide that said 100% of iPhones could be tapped. In the rest of the talk there was frequent mention (in bulletpoints or even more interestingly graphs) of efficacy rates, and as I recall most were between 50-80 percent. Apple was the only slide cited with 100% which is why this was noteworthy.

gte910h 13y ago
As apple has few phones with large quantities of users, I am not surprised. I think you'll find similar penetration levels for any phone with lots of users It's a resources/efficacy decision on the part of the NSA for targeting. It's the same reason there were "no" mac viruses for many years: there were far more windows users to target.
droopybuns 13y ago
Further add context: Charlie Miller (that apple 0day guy) is ex NSA. In 2009 or so, he made huge waves with his iphone hacks. I also find it appaling how widely revered charlie is. In this context, he is clearly an example of the kind of hacker we should be fucking shaming. No more free bugs finds its logical conclusion. 0xcharlie: NSA stooge.