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The main appeal of the game was apparently the multi-player, which isn't going to be that great if nobody bought the thing. You can't expect a refund for this t

The main appeal of the game was apparently the multi-player, which isn't going to be that great if nobody bought the thing. You can't expect a refund for this type of purchase from either Steam or the studio that developed it, that is ridiculous. They shouldn't have removed it from people's libraries though, and the developer should have released one last patch that disabled the DRM and let you run your own server.

MichaelApproved 13y ago
Running your server is probably too much to ask for since their server is likely integrated ito many of their other systems and the code is probably something they want to keep out of public hands BUT I like your idea of one last patch for DRM free version. Online will no longer work but at least single player would.
- axefrog 13y ago
  As with WoW, Ultima Online and various other MMO's, unauthorized servers tend to be written from scratch using an analysis of incoming and outgoing client/server traffic. Nobody would expect Square Enix to release their server software, just simply to disable the DRM so that others can play the game and attempt to write their own server software if they choose.
  - MichaelApproved 13y ago
    That's amazing. I agree that would be a fair outcome with no losers in the deal.
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DanBC 13y ago
Why can't people expect a refund? Why is that a ridiculous expectation?
- fletchowns 13y ago
  Because it's in the contract that you agreed to upon purchasing. The only thing you can do is no longer agree to those types of contracts.
  - belorn 13y ago
    You can not sign away all rights on purchase, or otherwise scam artists would have a much easier time.
    - fletchowns 13y ago
      Maybe not all rights, but pretty close. This is the norm these days. People will pay for temporary use of music, movies, tv shows, and video games until some old guys in a skyscraper somewhere decide otherwise.
      - icebraining 13y ago
        Not really the same. Buying a subscription to a service carries a different expectation vis-a-vis the payment of a lump sum for the product.
  - alan_cx 13y ago
    So its not a ridiculous expectation, since it had to be explicitly included in the contract.
  - maaku 13y ago
    That contract doesn't have legal weight in many jurisdictions.
  - Silhouette 13y ago
    Every consumer protection law in existence just called and asked for their money back. Those laws exist precisely to unambiguously defeat the kind of argument you're making.
- archangel_one 13y ago
trycatch 13y ago
Wrong link. Order of War still works, it was multiplayer version "Order of War: Challenge" that was shutdown. It was not available for sale since April, and it was removed from Steam in September. http://www.steamprices.com/us/app/34670/order-of-war-challenge http://www.steamprices.com/us/app/34670/order-of-war-challen...
- fletchowns 13y ago
  Ah! Thanks for the correction.

MichaelApproved 13y ago

Running your server is probably too much to ask for since their server is likely integrated ito many of their other systems and the code is probably something they want to keep out of public hands BUT I like your idea of one last patch for DRM free version. Online will no longer work but at least single player would.

axefrog 13y ago
As with WoW, Ultima Online and various other MMO's, unauthorized servers tend to be written from scratch using an analysis of incoming and outgoing client/server traffic. Nobody would expect Square Enix to release their server software, just simply to disable the DRM so that others can play the game and attempt to write their own server software if they choose.
- MichaelApproved 13y ago
  That's amazing. I agree that would be a fair outcome with no losers in the deal.

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DanBC 13y ago

Why can't people expect a refund? Why is that a ridiculous expectation?

fletchowns 13y ago
Because it's in the contract that you agreed to upon purchasing. The only thing you can do is no longer agree to those types of contracts.
- belorn 13y ago
  You can not sign away all rights on purchase, or otherwise scam artists would have a much easier time.
  - fletchowns 13y ago
    Maybe not all rights, but pretty close. This is the norm these days. People will pay for temporary use of music, movies, tv shows, and video games until some old guys in a skyscraper somewhere decide otherwise.
    - icebraining 13y ago
      Not really the same. Buying a subscription to a service carries a different expectation vis-a-vis the payment of a lump sum for the product.
- alan_cx 13y ago
  So its not a ridiculous expectation, since it had to be explicitly included in the contract.
- maaku 13y ago
  That contract doesn't have legal weight in many jurisdictions.
- Silhouette 13y ago
  Every consumer protection law in existence just called and asked for their money back. Those laws exist precisely to unambiguously defeat the kind of argument you're making.
archangel_one 13y ago

trycatch 13y ago

Wrong link. Order of War still works, it was multiplayer version "Order of War: Challenge" that was shutdown. It was not available for sale since April, and it was removed from Steam in September. http://www.steamprices.com/us/app/34670/order-of-war-challenge http://www.steamprices.com/us/app/34670/order-of-war-challen...

fletchowns 13y ago
Ah! Thanks for the correction.