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I'm not sure how my reply to you baked hostility into it. I didn't mean to offend you by saying you should have remembered. It was a generic "you", not you spec

by ceol 13y ago

I'm not sure how my reply to you baked hostility into it. I didn't mean to offend you by saying you should have remembered. It was a generic "you", not you specifically. My apologies if I did. I say it was misogynist filth because it was. Not everyone's comment is equal. I'm not going to treat someone with respect if they spout garbage about how women have no place in programming; how men have "logical brains"; how they wish for the days when they could crack jokes about breasts without all those uppity 'females' ruining the place. A spade is a spade, and those comments were filth that didn't deserve the bytes they were served through. You might as well be asking me to be nice to the KKK as they claim black people are an inferior race. I'm not sure what the point of your comment is, though. You're chiding me for attacking those groups and complaining that I'm setting up any child conversations to be hostile, but you use the last sentence of your reply to attack me, all while contributing... nothing. I mean, there's not really anything in your comment. Was there something I should be responding to, specifically?

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tw268 13y ago
While I certainly hope that all females who are qualified and interested find a welcoming home in computing, I am aware that there is social science research suggesting differences in the average cognitive abilities between men and women in some subdomains. This is not saying that only men can program, only that the proportions of the sexes that make good programmers may be different. Think of shifting of the mean of a normal distribution, like this[1]. So I suspect that in a perfect world with no discrimination the proportion of sexes in each field of work will not be equal, and this is important to keep in mind in industry self-flagellation sessions. Our industry is educated enough to buy heavily into feminism, but nature has a way of confounding all breeds of egalitarians. The progressive explanation for these differences is that they are all culturally determined. I am not convinced that is a parsimonious explanation of the data. I suppose this makes me evil. For what it's worth, there's also well documented cognitive differences in human subpopulations. Progressives also believe that these differences are all due to culture. I'm not convinced that human groups which evolved apart for 80,000 years in differing circumstances should be exactly equal in all ways modulo culture. Again, I'm evil. But also remember the overlapping bell curves. That's what I'm arguing the global distribution of talents in human subgroups looks like. I haven't been to /pol or /r/mra much, but I suspect that they do deal in some suppressed truths in addition to a lot of adolescent noise and filth, if only because the forbidden truths are juicier. [1] https://controls.engin.umich.edu/wiki/images/2/25/Overlap.gif https://controls.engin.umich.edu/wiki/images/2/25/Overlap.gi...
- theorique 13y ago
  Careful, there. Talking about biological differences upsets a lot of people and is very non-politically-correct. The party line of the official 'social justice activist' seems to be that there exist no biologically determined differences between any subgroup of humans that you care to define, including between men and women.
- ceol 13y ago
  Any person can be a good programmer, and the criteria for a good programmer changes each generation. Women were originally thought to be the better programmers because it was considered office-style busywork. Then it shifted to mathematicians, then to nerds, and now it's shifting to "anyone." And yeah, you're evil — not because you believe those things (that would make you merely ignorant) but because you revel in the fact your beliefs are problematic. But, much like your beliefs, your comment brings nothing to this discussion. It's a lot of unsourced, pseudo-scientific nonsense hidden behind a veil of verbosity.
  - tw268 13y ago
    The sources are out there, but you might not want to look. What is seen is not easily unseen: http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/start-here/ http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/start-here/ http://jaymans.wordpress.com/hbd-fundamentals/ http://jaymans.wordpress.com/hbd-fundamentals/ http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/ http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/ And although the common insult for people interested in human biodiversity is "KKK", much of the research is not being done by white people. For example, the Chinese are investing huge sums of money into unraveling the genetic basis of intelligence. See: http://edge.org/response-detail/23838 http://edge.org/response-detail/23838 I suppose this is all "filth that isn't worth the bytes its served through" though...

by ceol 13y ago

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tw268 13y ago

While I certainly hope that all females who are qualified and interested find a welcoming home in computing, I am aware that there is social science research suggesting differences in the average cognitive abilities between men and women in some subdomains. This is not saying that only men can program, only that the proportions of the sexes that make good programmers may be different. Think of shifting of the mean of a normal distribution, like this[1]. So I suspect that in a perfect world with no discrimination the proportion of sexes in each field of work will not be equal, and this is important to keep in mind in industry self-flagellation sessions. Our industry is educated enough to buy heavily into feminism, but nature has a way of confounding all breeds of egalitarians. The progressive explanation for these differences is that they are all culturally determined. I am not convinced that is a parsimonious explanation of the data. I suppose this makes me evil. For what it's worth, there's also well documented cognitive differences in human subpopulations. Progressives also believe that these differences are all due to culture. I'm not convinced that human groups which evolved apart for 80,000 years in differing circumstances should be exactly equal in all ways modulo culture. Again, I'm evil. But also remember the overlapping bell curves. That's what I'm arguing the global distribution of talents in human subgroups looks like. I haven't been to /pol or /r/mra much, but I suspect that they do deal in some suppressed truths in addition to a lot of adolescent noise and filth, if only because the forbidden truths are juicier. [1] https://controls.engin.umich.edu/wiki/images/2/25/Overlap.gif https://controls.engin.umich.edu/wiki/images/2/25/Overlap.gi...

theorique 13y ago
Careful, there. Talking about biological differences upsets a lot of people and is very non-politically-correct. The party line of the official 'social justice activist' seems to be that there exist no biologically determined differences between any subgroup of humans that you care to define, including between men and women.
ceol 13y ago
Any person can be a good programmer, and the criteria for a good programmer changes each generation. Women were originally thought to be the better programmers because it was considered office-style busywork. Then it shifted to mathematicians, then to nerds, and now it's shifting to "anyone." And yeah, you're evil — not because you believe those things (that would make you merely ignorant) but because you revel in the fact your beliefs are problematic. But, much like your beliefs, your comment brings nothing to this discussion. It's a lot of unsourced, pseudo-scientific nonsense hidden behind a veil of verbosity.
- tw268 13y ago
  The sources are out there, but you might not want to look. What is seen is not easily unseen: http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/start-here/ http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/start-here/ http://jaymans.wordpress.com/hbd-fundamentals/ http://jaymans.wordpress.com/hbd-fundamentals/ http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/ http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/ And although the common insult for people interested in human biodiversity is "KKK", much of the research is not being done by white people. For example, the Chinese are investing huge sums of money into unraveling the genetic basis of intelligence. See: http://edge.org/response-detail/23838 http://edge.org/response-detail/23838 I suppose this is all "filth that isn't worth the bytes its served through" though...