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> it was actually later proven that Bing brings many of it results from Google's Search engine This turned out to be a lie, right?

by solve 13y ago

raldi 13y ago
That's a pretty bold statement to make without any kind of citation.
davorak 13y ago
There was some direct evidence that Microsoft was pulling over some of the google spell correction from internet explore as I remember. Google added some universally unique spell corrections and in short order they were pulled over to Bing. I remember that there were claims, the claims I read were not directly from google, of copying search results as well, but the evidence was not as direct or as damning as for the spelling correction.
nn3 13y ago
IIRC it turned out to be a side effect of their "toolbar" data collection. If most people using googles toolbar would use bing they would see a similar effect. But calling it "they get search results from google" is stretching the truth. Of course why anyone would submit all their surf history to any of those big brother companies (M or G) in the first place is a complete mystery. But overall bing is not too bad. It's a quite respectable search search engine on its own right. It's not quite as good as google, but I use it regularly to work around some google misfeatures. What really annoys me in google is that you cannot cutnpaste PDF urls from search result. I'm sure there is some workaround, but it's easier to just temporarily switch to bing in the search bar to solve it (and it typically finds the same thing) bing seems to also have less spam.
- katcooke 13y ago
  Ironically, Google's own toolbar(which was bundled by OEMs who took money from Google), sent people's web site visits even after configuring it to say no. http://www.benedelman.org/news/012610-1.html http://www.benedelman.org/news/012610-1.html
  - jedmeyers 13y ago
    Ironically, a lot of new accounts appeared on HN lately posting claims against Microsoft competitors and telling stories about how a new Surface Pro helped them do their engineering studies homework.
- Flimm 13y ago
  Here's the workaround: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search-link-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search...
davorak 13y ago
Lie is a strong word, it most it would mean someone claimed bing was stealing search results from google while knowing it was not true, rather then misinterpreting the data. I do not remember such a case lying. Do you remember any other details like who uncovered that it was a lie or who made the report?
- Guvante 13y ago
  IIRC Google made a honeypot link and got it to show up on Bing without allowing it to be spidered directly (since nothing linked to it). However Microsoft responded that they used Internet Explorer or some other client side tech with the "use my searches" options turned on to go to the honeypot on google.com, leading to Microsoft to get a hold of it. So less of a "Microsoft steals Google results" and more of a "Microsoft follows Google results when you use their browser and don't tell it not to".

> it was actually later proven that Bing brings many of it results from Google's Search engine This turned out to be a lie, right?

by solve 13y ago

> it was actually later proven that Bing brings many of it results from Google's Search engine This turned out to be a lie, right?

raldi 13y ago

That's a pretty bold statement to make without any kind of citation.

davorak 13y ago

There was some direct evidence that Microsoft was pulling over some of the google spell correction from internet explore as I remember. Google added some universally unique spell corrections and in short order they were pulled over to Bing. I remember that there were claims, the claims I read were not directly from google, of copying search results as well, but the evidence was not as direct or as damning as for the spelling correction.

nn3 13y ago

IIRC it turned out to be a side effect of their "toolbar" data collection. If most people using googles toolbar would use bing they would see a similar effect. But calling it "they get search results from google" is stretching the truth. Of course why anyone would submit all their surf history to any of those big brother companies (M or G) in the first place is a complete mystery. But overall bing is not too bad. It's a quite respectable search search engine on its own right. It's not quite as good as google, but I use it regularly to work around some google misfeatures. What really annoys me in google is that you cannot cutnpaste PDF urls from search result. I'm sure there is some workaround, but it's easier to just temporarily switch to bing in the search bar to solve it (and it typically finds the same thing) bing seems to also have less spam.

katcooke 13y ago
Ironically, Google's own toolbar(which was bundled by OEMs who took money from Google), sent people's web site visits even after configuring it to say no. http://www.benedelman.org/news/012610-1.html http://www.benedelman.org/news/012610-1.html
- jedmeyers 13y ago
  Ironically, a lot of new accounts appeared on HN lately posting claims against Microsoft competitors and telling stories about how a new Surface Pro helped them do their engineering studies homework.
Flimm 13y ago
Here's the workaround: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search-link-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search...

davorak 13y ago

Lie is a strong word, it most it would mean someone claimed bing was stealing search results from google while knowing it was not true, rather then misinterpreting the data. I do not remember such a case lying. Do you remember any other details like who uncovered that it was a lie or who made the report?

Guvante 13y ago
IIRC Google made a honeypot link and got it to show up on Bing without allowing it to be spidered directly (since nothing linked to it). However Microsoft responded that they used Internet Explorer or some other client side tech with the "use my searches" options turned on to go to the honeypot on google.com, leading to Microsoft to get a hold of it. So less of a "Microsoft steals Google results" and more of a "Microsoft follows Google results when you use their browser and don't tell it not to".