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Please. There is quite a difference between not using third-party tools/libraries, and (arguably) not programming at all. I mean, the tool's tagline is "Create

Please. There is quite a difference between not using third-party tools/libraries, and (arguably) not programming at all. I mean, the tool's tagline is "Create Games. Effortlessly." This isn't an attempt to put the OP down, but let's keep things in perspective.

kenjackson 13y ago
I just walked through some of their tutorials and it is still programming. It has a UI for a lot of it, but the concepts are probably more like what I consider traditional programming concepts than HTML/CSS (excluding JS).
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  Yeah, I expected a response like this. I really shouldn't have implied that this tool isn't a programming tool, but I think there's a difference between this tool and some C library.
  - sejje 13y ago
    So what? OP said he made 30 apps this year. Which he did. Who cares how he made them. If he had hired someone out to make them, people would be fawning over him, telling him he's a business tycoon. I don't understand why you're so quick to try to shit on what he's doing, because you think you could do it in some arguably more "pure" manner, or whatever term you might use.
    - BlackDeath3 13y ago
      I wasn't shitting on the OP. That was never my intention, no matter how much you insist the contrary. And when did I suggest that I would do anything better or more pure? I'm simply responding to an implication that third-party code libraries and tools such as what the OP used are the same thing. I think they're not. Feel free to disagree all you like. If you're just looking for an argument, look elsewhere.
bliti 13y ago
I disagree. It is an attempt to put the OP down. The tool may not have people writing code, but they are programming. They have define algorithms through the use of data types, loops, conditionals, etc. What the OP did is noteworthy because he/she was able to create cool games with the limitations of the tools (and went as far as adding his own JS). No software these days is run or built without the help of others. Why make such comment? It is not constructive nor does it aim to develop the conversation.
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  You can disagree all that you like. What you cannot do is ascribe intention to my posts. At any rate, I think that you're so focused on the specific case of the OP that you've missed the point of my post. That's fine. I expected contention over my use of the word "programming", and apparently I should have been more pedantic.
  - bliti 13y ago
    I was not focusing on your post. My point is geared towards the parent comment, and not yours. Not looking to argue. We both share the same view.

kenjackson 13y ago

I just walked through some of their tutorials and it is still programming. It has a UI for a lot of it, but the concepts are probably more like what I consider traditional programming concepts than HTML/CSS (excluding JS).

BlackDeath3 13y ago
Yeah, I expected a response like this. I really shouldn't have implied that this tool isn't a programming tool, but I think there's a difference between this tool and some C library.
- sejje 13y ago
  So what? OP said he made 30 apps this year. Which he did. Who cares how he made them. If he had hired someone out to make them, people would be fawning over him, telling him he's a business tycoon. I don't understand why you're so quick to try to shit on what he's doing, because you think you could do it in some arguably more "pure" manner, or whatever term you might use.
  - BlackDeath3 13y ago
    I wasn't shitting on the OP. That was never my intention, no matter how much you insist the contrary. And when did I suggest that I would do anything better or more pure? I'm simply responding to an implication that third-party code libraries and tools such as what the OP used are the same thing. I think they're not. Feel free to disagree all you like. If you're just looking for an argument, look elsewhere.

bliti 13y ago

I disagree. It is an attempt to put the OP down. The tool may not have people writing code, but they are programming. They have define algorithms through the use of data types, loops, conditionals, etc. What the OP did is noteworthy because he/she was able to create cool games with the limitations of the tools (and went as far as adding his own JS). No software these days is run or built without the help of others. Why make such comment? It is not constructive nor does it aim to develop the conversation.

BlackDeath3 13y ago
You can disagree all that you like. What you cannot do is ascribe intention to my posts. At any rate, I think that you're so focused on the specific case of the OP that you've missed the point of my post. That's fine. I expected contention over my use of the word "programming", and apparently I should have been more pedantic.
- bliti 13y ago
  I was not focusing on your post. My point is geared towards the parent comment, and not yours. Not looking to argue. We both share the same view.