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C'mon! No one here read the sourcecode? It's made without any programming using this app: https://www.scirra.com/ https://www.scirra.com/ ... still more games

C'mon! No one here read the sourcecode? It's made without any programming using this app: https://www.scirra.com/ https://www.scirra.com/ ... still more games than i have done though :-P

stasy 13y ago
There were some aspects of the apps that were not supported on Scirra, so I had to do it myself. But yes, they were made with Construct 2.
krrishd 13y ago
It seems quite similar to Scratch, although if that's what it takes to get interested in software engineering, then good for him either way.
bliti 13y ago
May you please link to any of your projects? Were any built without using any third party tools or libraries?
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  Please. There is quite a difference between not using third-party tools/libraries, and (arguably) not programming at all. I mean, the tool's tagline is "Create Games. Effortlessly." This isn't an attempt to put the OP down, but let's keep things in perspective.
  - kenjackson 13y ago
    I just walked through some of their tutorials and it is still programming. It has a UI for a lot of it, but the concepts are probably more like what I consider traditional programming concepts than HTML/CSS (excluding JS).
    - BlackDeath3 13y ago
      Yeah, I expected a response like this. I really shouldn't have implied that this tool isn't a programming tool, but I think there's a difference between this tool and some C library.
      - sejje 13y ago
        So what? OP said he made 30 apps this year. Which he did. Who cares how he made them. If he had hired someone out to make them, people would be fawning over him, telling him he's a business tycoon. I don't understand why you're so quick to try to shit on what he's doing, because you think you could do it in some arguably more "pure" manner, or whatever term you might use.
        BlackDeath3 13y ago
        I wasn't shitting on the OP. That was never my intention, no matter how much you insist the contrary. And when did I suggest that I would do anything better or more pure? I'm simply responding to an implication that third-party code libraries and tools such as what the OP used are the same thing. I think they're not. Feel free to disagree all you like. If you're just looking for an argument, look elsewhere.
  - bliti 13y ago
    I disagree. It is an attempt to put the OP down. The tool may not have people writing code, but they are programming. They have define algorithms through the use of data types, loops, conditionals, etc. What the OP did is noteworthy because he/she was able to create cool games with the limitations of the tools (and went as far as adding his own JS). No software these days is run or built without the help of others. Why make such comment? It is not constructive nor does it aim to develop the conversation.
    - BlackDeath3 13y ago
      You can disagree all that you like. What you cannot do is ascribe intention to my posts. At any rate, I think that you're so focused on the specific case of the OP that you've missed the point of my post. That's fine. I expected contention over my use of the word "programming", and apparently I should have been more pedantic.
      - bliti 13y ago
        I was not focusing on your post. My point is geared towards the parent comment, and not yours. Not looking to argue. We both share the same view.
- wicker 13y ago
  Is it common to build a project without using any third party tools or libraries?
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PavlovsCat 13y ago
I doubt I had even 30 ideas this year :P
andrewljohnson 13y ago
This sentiment should instead be presented constructively. You should have asked what code he needed to write outside of the framework, rather than being ruled by your own exasperation. You could have made a useful comment and been polite. Something you could likely consider every time you open your mouth, and I don't mean that in a mean way. Hacker News helped me better modulate what I say.
- heyheyhey 13y ago
  > You could have made a useful comment It was useful to me. I was curious what languages/framework the OP did and I had no idea what scirra was until this post. > and been polite. Seriously? I don't see any types of aggression in tmikaeld's post. > Something you could likely consider every time you open your mouth, and I don't mean that in a mean way. Hacker News helped me better modulate what I say. This post just reeks of elitism. It's like immediately discrediting a comment simply because of one grammar/punctuation mistake.
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97s 13y ago
I would like to see some of your work that is 100% yours and no libraries or anything else.
- NAFV_P 13y ago
  If you said that to a C programmer that would translate as: I would like to see you rewrite the C standard library in assembly then boot your own optimised C compiler. Said C coder will be so incensed that they will suffer a stroke, then start speaking in LISP.
  - 97s 13y ago
    = ) exactly. We all start somewhere why give someone as inspired as him a doubt in his mind.

C'mon! No one here read the sourcecode? It's made without any programming using this app: https://www.scirra.com/ https://www.scirra.com/ ... still more games than i have done though :-P

stasy 13y ago

There were some aspects of the apps that were not supported on Scirra, so I had to do it myself. But yes, they were made with Construct 2.

krrishd 13y ago

It seems quite similar to Scratch, although if that's what it takes to get interested in software engineering, then good for him either way.

bliti 13y ago

May you please link to any of your projects? Were any built without using any third party tools or libraries?

BlackDeath3 13y ago
Please. There is quite a difference between not using third-party tools/libraries, and (arguably) not programming at all. I mean, the tool's tagline is "Create Games. Effortlessly." This isn't an attempt to put the OP down, but let's keep things in perspective.
- kenjackson 13y ago
  I just walked through some of their tutorials and it is still programming. It has a UI for a lot of it, but the concepts are probably more like what I consider traditional programming concepts than HTML/CSS (excluding JS).
  - BlackDeath3 13y ago
    Yeah, I expected a response like this. I really shouldn't have implied that this tool isn't a programming tool, but I think there's a difference between this tool and some C library.
    - sejje 13y ago
      So what? OP said he made 30 apps this year. Which he did. Who cares how he made them. If he had hired someone out to make them, people would be fawning over him, telling him he's a business tycoon. I don't understand why you're so quick to try to shit on what he's doing, because you think you could do it in some arguably more "pure" manner, or whatever term you might use.
      - BlackDeath3 13y ago
        I wasn't shitting on the OP. That was never my intention, no matter how much you insist the contrary. And when did I suggest that I would do anything better or more pure? I'm simply responding to an implication that third-party code libraries and tools such as what the OP used are the same thing. I think they're not. Feel free to disagree all you like. If you're just looking for an argument, look elsewhere.
- bliti 13y ago
  I disagree. It is an attempt to put the OP down. The tool may not have people writing code, but they are programming. They have define algorithms through the use of data types, loops, conditionals, etc. What the OP did is noteworthy because he/she was able to create cool games with the limitations of the tools (and went as far as adding his own JS). No software these days is run or built without the help of others. Why make such comment? It is not constructive nor does it aim to develop the conversation.
  - BlackDeath3 13y ago
    You can disagree all that you like. What you cannot do is ascribe intention to my posts. At any rate, I think that you're so focused on the specific case of the OP that you've missed the point of my post. That's fine. I expected contention over my use of the word "programming", and apparently I should have been more pedantic.
    - bliti 13y ago
      I was not focusing on your post. My point is geared towards the parent comment, and not yours. Not looking to argue. We both share the same view.
wicker 13y ago
Is it common to build a project without using any third party tools or libraries?
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PavlovsCat 13y ago

I doubt I had even 30 ideas this year :P

andrewljohnson 13y ago

This sentiment should instead be presented constructively. You should have asked what code he needed to write outside of the framework, rather than being ruled by your own exasperation. You could have made a useful comment and been polite. Something you could likely consider every time you open your mouth, and I don't mean that in a mean way. Hacker News helped me better modulate what I say.

heyheyhey 13y ago
> You could have made a useful comment It was useful to me. I was curious what languages/framework the OP did and I had no idea what scirra was until this post. > and been polite. Seriously? I don't see any types of aggression in tmikaeld's post. > Something you could likely consider every time you open your mouth, and I don't mean that in a mean way. Hacker News helped me better modulate what I say. This post just reeks of elitism. It's like immediately discrediting a comment simply because of one grammar/punctuation mistake.
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97s 13y ago

I would like to see some of your work that is 100% yours and no libraries or anything else.

NAFV_P 13y ago
If you said that to a C programmer that would translate as: I would like to see you rewrite the C standard library in assembly then boot your own optimised C compiler. Said C coder will be so incensed that they will suffer a stroke, then start speaking in LISP.
- 97s 13y ago
  = ) exactly. We all start somewhere why give someone as inspired as him a doubt in his mind.