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>Show me the equivalent of initiatives like "Rails Girls" or "Girls Who Code", or "Github's free private repos for women" for male teachers or nurses. A halfhea

>Show me the equivalent of initiatives like "Rails Girls" or "Girls Who Code", or "Github's free private repos for women" for male teachers or nurses. A halfhearted list of platitudes from a Dean at ASU and an NYTimes article != actual effort. Look at the list of sponsors on this page. http://www.girlswhocode.com/about-us/ http://www.girlswhocode.com/about-us/ and show me something even remotely equivalent for nursing, or fashion. Well googling for "programs to get men into nursing" returns these: http://www.discovernursing.com/men-in-nursing#.UsGOpGRDsns http://www.discovernursing.com/men-in-nursing#.UsGOpGRDsns http://www.minoritynurse.com/article/men-nursing-school http://www.minoritynurse.com/article/men-nursing-school Both of which show some good sponsorship. Heck, on the first page, under "resources" there is mention of a magazine called "male nurse magazine". I'm pretty sure these aren't half-hearted platitudes. Also consider: a profession that isn't tech may not have a giant list of tech heavyweights behind it. Again - different industries have different ways of doing things. > All I'm saying is that, as a low-income Asian person who learned to code, I am not a particularly privileged or rich person. Yet I have had zero initiatives helping me, or encouraging me to code. I have seen several people in a similar position. On the other hand, plenty of girls with high-income parents are babysat and helped by initiatives like Rails Girls et al. This is poor reasoning. Just because there are initiatives to help one group, and there aren't - for whatever reason - initiatives to help another group, doesn't mean that the initiatives that do exist are a problem. An attempt to solve one problem does not invalidate the other. Nor does the lack of solution to one problem invalidate attempts to solve other problems. It's like this: my software has 2 bugs. I spend a week fixing one bug. My boss doesn't complain that I didn't solve both bugs, but rather praises me for fixing one and says "now fix the other".

parennoob 13y ago
> Both of which show some good sponsorship. Heck, on the first page, under "resources" there is mention of a magazine called "male nurse magazine" You are either not serious, or seriously blinkered. What, two links that go to the same "American Assembly for Men in Nursing" association, a magazine for male nurses and a link to some history are equivalent to sponsorship from some of the biggest and most popular software employers (Google, Intel, Microsoft)? As I said, show me something visible like Sloan Kettering, or the Harvard Medical School sponsoring male nurses, or offering free courses to them. > This is poor reasoning. Just because there are initiatives to help one group, and there aren't - for whatever reason - initiatives to help another group, doesn't mean that the initiatives that do exist are a problem. An attempt to solve one problem does not invalidate the other. Nor does the lack of solution to one problem invalidate attempts to solve other problems. It's like this: my software has 2 bugs. I spend a week fixing one bug. My boss doesn't complain that I didn't solve both bugs, but rather praises me for fixing one and says "now fix the other". No, but if there are two bugs (say A and B), and one of them (say B) is similar to another one that is marked INVALID or WONTFIX, your boss might complain that you're spending a ton of time on B. In this analogy, attracting more low-income men into tech would be the WONTFIX bug, since no one is rushing to fix it. Look at this story (http://www.girlswhocode.com/about-us/#section5 http://www.girlswhocode.com/about-us/#section5). Note that this is a girl who is also more likely to go into college and get a degree (60% of all college graduates are now women). A 15-year low-income male in the same situation? Tough luck, no "Boys who Code", or even "People Who Code" initiative for him.
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parennoob 13y ago

> Both of which show some good sponsorship. Heck, on the first page, under "resources" there is mention of a magazine called "male nurse magazine" You are either not serious, or seriously blinkered. What, two links that go to the same "American Assembly for Men in Nursing" association, a magazine for male nurses and a link to some history are equivalent to sponsorship from some of the biggest and most popular software employers (Google, Intel, Microsoft)? As I said, show me something visible like Sloan Kettering, or the Harvard Medical School sponsoring male nurses, or offering free courses to them. > This is poor reasoning. Just because there are initiatives to help one group, and there aren't - for whatever reason - initiatives to help another group, doesn't mean that the initiatives that do exist are a problem. An attempt to solve one problem does not invalidate the other. Nor does the lack of solution to one problem invalidate attempts to solve other problems. It's like this: my software has 2 bugs. I spend a week fixing one bug. My boss doesn't complain that I didn't solve both bugs, but rather praises me for fixing one and says "now fix the other". No, but if there are two bugs (say A and B), and one of them (say B) is similar to another one that is marked INVALID or WONTFIX, your boss might complain that you're spending a ton of time on B. In this analogy, attracting more low-income men into tech would be the WONTFIX bug, since no one is rushing to fix it. Look at this story (http://www.girlswhocode.com/about-us/#section5 http://www.girlswhocode.com/about-us/#section5). Note that this is a girl who is also more likely to go into college and get a degree (60% of all college graduates are now women). A 15-year low-income male in the same situation? Tough luck, no "Boys who Code", or even "People Who Code" initiative for him.

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