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"The line of argument is so simplistic it boggles my mind. Lets get few facts straight": 1. Operation cyclone: This was part of the cold war, both countries fo

by jeswin 13y ago

"The line of argument is so simplistic it boggles my mind. Lets get few facts straight": 1. Operation cyclone: This was part of the cold war, both countries fought proxy wars across the world. The Soviet Union actively aided anti-american forces in other parts of the world. 2. Sure, everybody detests improper detentions (and killing, but I haven't seen much evidence). If a country is fighting home-grown terrorism with a religious flavor, it is likely that a few people from that particular religion will get illegally arrested. Now as rational people, the important point is whether this is happening at some scale and whether this is a statistically significant number. But it will never be zero. The problem with the most common breed of terrorism is that it is entirely religiously motivated. Left to themselves, tyranny of the majority will soon ensue in those countries. Sure you could just let them take over and leave the problem to future generations, but the bigger argument for intervention is that democratic countries should stand up for the rights of people living in countries where extremism is an active part of everyday politics.

pizza234 13y ago
It's very sad to see how the political/militarist propaganda is making an incredibly good job. > The problem with the most common breed of terrorism is that it is entirely religiously motivated. What's the religion supposed to be? Destruction of the USA? Do you think that terrorists target USA because it's written in their sacred books? "Left to themselves, tyranny of the majority will soon ensue in those countries. Left to themselves, tyranny of the majority will soon ensue in those countries. Sure you could just let them take over and leave the problem to future generations" There are many many countries with such regimes, and the majority of them is left to theirselves. Middle east countries are picked because they serve the political agenda. Seriously, do you think that countries like Syria are the lucky ones which has been chosen to be "saved"? And do you think that bombing a country will improve the situation? Hint: it won't.
unclebucknasty 13y ago
>it is likely that a few people from that particular religion will get illegally arrested. And killed. Taken together, I would be hesitant to call it a few. >Now as rational people, the important point is whether this is happening at some scale and whether this is a statistically significant number. But it will never be zero. This is nauseating. It never ceases to amaze me how cavalier people have become about other people's lives. If we are going to be so confident that we are just, then we should start by looking at the root cause. These dim-witted platitudes about pure religious fervor and hating us for our freedom are ridiculous. The fact that a sitting president could conduct a war over such pablum and not be roundly ostercized and impeached is testament to how little we seem to invest in determining what's really happening and whose interests are being served in our name. Then, when the next generation of drone-terrorized and, hence, militarized individuals takes up arms against us, we will all sit back in shock and discuss how barbaric they are and how they also hate our innoncent, peace-loving populace for our freedom. Of course, that will justify the next round of rationalized illegal detentions and collateral damage. When you buy into this thinking, you become complicit. It is no longer being done in your name. It is being done at your behest. And, you don't even know why.

by jeswin 13y ago

pizza234 13y ago

It's very sad to see how the political/militarist propaganda is making an incredibly good job. > The problem with the most common breed of terrorism is that it is entirely religiously motivated. What's the religion supposed to be? Destruction of the USA? Do you think that terrorists target USA because it's written in their sacred books? "Left to themselves, tyranny of the majority will soon ensue in those countries. Left to themselves, tyranny of the majority will soon ensue in those countries. Sure you could just let them take over and leave the problem to future generations" There are many many countries with such regimes, and the majority of them is left to theirselves. Middle east countries are picked because they serve the political agenda. Seriously, do you think that countries like Syria are the lucky ones which has been chosen to be "saved"? And do you think that bombing a country will improve the situation? Hint: it won't.

unclebucknasty 13y ago

>it is likely that a few people from that particular religion will get illegally arrested. And killed. Taken together, I would be hesitant to call it a few. >Now as rational people, the important point is whether this is happening at some scale and whether this is a statistically significant number. But it will never be zero. This is nauseating. It never ceases to amaze me how cavalier people have become about other people's lives. If we are going to be so confident that we are just, then we should start by looking at the root cause. These dim-witted platitudes about pure religious fervor and hating us for our freedom are ridiculous. The fact that a sitting president could conduct a war over such pablum and not be roundly ostercized and impeached is testament to how little we seem to invest in determining what's really happening and whose interests are being served in our name. Then, when the next generation of drone-terrorized and, hence, militarized individuals takes up arms against us, we will all sit back in shock and discuss how barbaric they are and how they also hate our innoncent, peace-loving populace for our freedom. Of course, that will justify the next round of rationalized illegal detentions and collateral damage. When you buy into this thinking, you become complicit. It is no longer being done in your name. It is being done at your behest. And, you don't even know why.