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I came up with a "why ipv6" question yesterday(?) when someone eagerly awaited ipv6 to solve all peer to peer issues in the alternatives to Skype debate. I'm f

I came up with a "why ipv6" question yesterday(?) when someone eagerly awaited ipv6 to solve all peer to peer issues in the alternatives to Skype debate. I'm forced to take up ipv6 due to my ISP's policy (dual stack lite) and so far that caused mostly trouble - hardware problems, software incompatibility and a lot of 'new things' for no gain at all. I understand that my frustration is largely caused by the implementation of ipv6 here, not by the protocul suite. I would love to have a stable ipv6 connection, with a permanent prefix (permanent for the duration of the contract with the ISP, bonus points for the ability to keep my prefix between different providers). I would gladly play with the ipv6 world while ipv4 still works decently (dual stack, sans lite). Accessing ipv6 services from most networks is crap, especially so from mobile devices. Random trivia: The Android emulator doesn't support ipv6... The way I see (and experience) it, ipv6 is a pita right now and with introductions like the one I see here personal resistance will go up, not down. I contemplate to change the ISP solely to leave ipv6 behind - and I WANT to like it, dabbled with ipv6 tunnels in the past and like to tinker with networks.

ay 13y ago
Transition tech should still provide decent IPv4. Would love to hear more details and see if there is something that has to be fixed. Sent you an email.
VLM 13y ago
"no gain at all" Not true, you're getting to use IP addresses. Well, ipv6. But since we're outta ipv4, talking about them anymore is a waste of time. "I would love to have a stable ipv6 connection, with a permanent prefix" Welcome to tunnelbroker.net, a free service of a very cool service provider, who has been providing static tunnels and space for, oh, it must be over a decade now. "ipv6 is a pita right now" Look on the bright side, way over a decade ago when I and other pioneers were starting to use it, it was somewhat worse. You probably need to visit https://ipv6.he.net/certification/ https://ipv6.he.net/certification/ and complete the certification. I did that many years ago back when it was new. Not just to collect paper, but in order to complete the cert you pretty much have to get everything working, so you'll be doing it all anyway, and its a well trodden and debugged path.
- darklajid 13y ago
  Please don't take this personal. You seem to be defending something you like. Note that I don't want to sling mud on ipv6 proponents (well, I would love to hear the brains behind DS lite explain a thing or two..). No gain at all vs. ipv4 (with all its warts, forced disconnects, dynamic IPs) at home. You seem to say "but at least you DO get any address". But that's missing the point for the perspective here: German dude, online for just roughly 17-18 years. That worked. I doubt that German ISPs run out of (dynamic) addresses. On a global scale? Fair enough. So dual stack would be nice/a decent way forward. But claiming "at least you get .. something" is not quite the marketing slogan.. tunnelbroker: I will investigate that, thanks. But.. probably it's not going to help me a lot. I cannot change most configuration settings in that mandatory/ISP provided router. The one approach that might work is putting another router behind that thing, maybe. I'm happy to read that the experience improved in the last decade. Please take a moment and consider this thread the point of view of someone that was forced to jump the gap - and found issues. I guess it is all quite easy and so much better from your point of view. But - which of us describes the majority/the demographic that need convincing? Again, thanks for the links. It is totally unclear to me how I'll be able to use a tunnel with my native ipv6 connection (and.. why), but I'm certainly interested to learn. Just not.. while I would rather just use a working internet connection. Currently my single line to the net feels like a giant experiment or hoax at times.

ay 13y ago

Transition tech should still provide decent IPv4. Would love to hear more details and see if there is something that has to be fixed. Sent you an email.

VLM 13y ago

"no gain at all" Not true, you're getting to use IP addresses. Well, ipv6. But since we're outta ipv4, talking about them anymore is a waste of time. "I would love to have a stable ipv6 connection, with a permanent prefix" Welcome to tunnelbroker.net, a free service of a very cool service provider, who has been providing static tunnels and space for, oh, it must be over a decade now. "ipv6 is a pita right now" Look on the bright side, way over a decade ago when I and other pioneers were starting to use it, it was somewhat worse. You probably need to visit https://ipv6.he.net/certification/ https://ipv6.he.net/certification/ and complete the certification. I did that many years ago back when it was new. Not just to collect paper, but in order to complete the cert you pretty much have to get everything working, so you'll be doing it all anyway, and its a well trodden and debugged path.

darklajid 13y ago
Please don't take this personal. You seem to be defending something you like. Note that I don't want to sling mud on ipv6 proponents (well, I would love to hear the brains behind DS lite explain a thing or two..). No gain at all vs. ipv4 (with all its warts, forced disconnects, dynamic IPs) at home. You seem to say "but at least you DO get any address". But that's missing the point for the perspective here: German dude, online for just roughly 17-18 years. That worked. I doubt that German ISPs run out of (dynamic) addresses. On a global scale? Fair enough. So dual stack would be nice/a decent way forward. But claiming "at least you get .. something" is not quite the marketing slogan.. tunnelbroker: I will investigate that, thanks. But.. probably it's not going to help me a lot. I cannot change most configuration settings in that mandatory/ISP provided router. The one approach that might work is putting another router behind that thing, maybe. I'm happy to read that the experience improved in the last decade. Please take a moment and consider this thread the point of view of someone that was forced to jump the gap - and found issues. I guess it is all quite easy and so much better from your point of view. But - which of us describes the majority/the demographic that need convincing? Again, thanks for the links. It is totally unclear to me how I'll be able to use a tunnel with my native ipv6 connection (and.. why), but I'm certainly interested to learn. Just not.. while I would rather just use a working internet connection. Currently my single line to the net feels like a giant experiment or hoax at times.