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And as an American I do live with a particular type of fear, which is that of the DEA and SWAT team escalations. I disagree that this is something to be all th

And as an American I do live with a particular type of fear, which is that of the DEA and SWAT team escalations. I disagree that this is something to be all that worried about. It detracts from the rest of your argument.

lemmsjid 13y ago
I believe the milita movement, the source of the second most destructive terrorist attack on U.S. soil in recent history, would beg to disagree. For them, it is the central issue. Oklahoma City was explicitly revenge for the Branch Davidian raid by the AFT / FBI. Who is to say the next major terrorist attack won't be from that direction? Look at the NSA revelations. Whereas more pedestrian people like me think it's more government incompetence than Illuminati machination, the NSA revelations are proof positive to people of that ilk that the overarching conspiracy they've believed was happening is patently real.
waps 13y ago
It points to the same fundamental misunderstanding of law. Law depends on overwhelming non-lethal force on the side of law. Where that is not available, it cannot be used. So complaining about US legal guarantees (that have exceptions, like DEA, SWAT and frankly IRA teams) not being available outside of the region where the law's overwhelming advantage exists is no more valid than complaining the sky doesn't turn red to make sure your sunset picture looks cool or complaining cars don't fly.
fatca 13y ago
The Bombay terrorist bombings are indeed -- like so many terrorist attacks -- a false-flag operation, organized by the United States' intelligence services.
- ack006 13y ago
  Source (link) please, or I'll proclaim that the tin foil hat brigade has now thorougly infiltrated HN.
  - dylanrw 13y ago
    In a community where skepticism is valued there will exist the lazy quota who will look at popular opinion, assume the antithesis must be true and in turn, begin looking for supporting 'facts'. Don't be so surprised. :P
    - midas007 13y ago
      Oh, like publishing in academia.
  - midas007 13y ago
    Without facts and critical-thinking skills, the hobgoblins take over.
  - ryguytilidie 13y ago
    You are threatening to "proclaim that the tin foil hat brigade has now thorougly infiltrated HN." based on one single post made by one person in a community of thousands? Did you go to a school specifically to learn how to create logic this poor?
- anigbrowl 13y ago
  [citation needed]
- cscurmudgeon 13y ago
  And we are ruled by space lizards.
shirkey 13y ago
If you think that the concern about DEA and SWAT can be easily dismissed, consider that SWAT teams regularly get involved in serving warrants for non-violent crimes -- in 1995, 3 out of 4 SWAT raids were based on drug warrants alone... and mistakes on those warrants can be made repeatedly: "Perhaps no one was more victimized by the battlefield mentality that had set in at the NYPD than Walter and Rose Martin. The Brooklyn couple, both in their eighties, were wrongly raided more than fifty times between 2002 and 2010. The couple filed numerous complaints with the police department. They wrote letters to Mayor Michael Bloomberg and NYPD commissioner Ray Kelly. They were ignored. In 2007 they at least got someone at the NYPD to try to wipe their address out of the department’s computer system. But the raids continued. It wasn’t until the couple went to the media in 2010 that the city finally looked into the problem. Back in 2002, someone had used the Martins’ address as a dummy address to test the department’s new computer system. When the new system was implemented, no one removed their address. So anytime NYPD cops in certain precincts used the system for a warrant and forgot to remove the dummy address to put in the correct one, the police would end up at the Martins’ door."[1] [1] http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas-ebook/dp/B00B3M3UFQ http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americ...

lemmsjid 13y ago

I believe the milita movement, the source of the second most destructive terrorist attack on U.S. soil in recent history, would beg to disagree. For them, it is the central issue. Oklahoma City was explicitly revenge for the Branch Davidian raid by the AFT / FBI. Who is to say the next major terrorist attack won't be from that direction? Look at the NSA revelations. Whereas more pedestrian people like me think it's more government incompetence than Illuminati machination, the NSA revelations are proof positive to people of that ilk that the overarching conspiracy they've believed was happening is patently real.

waps 13y ago

It points to the same fundamental misunderstanding of law. Law depends on overwhelming non-lethal force on the side of law. Where that is not available, it cannot be used. So complaining about US legal guarantees (that have exceptions, like DEA, SWAT and frankly IRA teams) not being available outside of the region where the law's overwhelming advantage exists is no more valid than complaining the sky doesn't turn red to make sure your sunset picture looks cool or complaining cars don't fly.

fatca 13y ago

The Bombay terrorist bombings are indeed -- like so many terrorist attacks -- a false-flag operation, organized by the United States' intelligence services.

ack006 13y ago
Source (link) please, or I'll proclaim that the tin foil hat brigade has now thorougly infiltrated HN.
- dylanrw 13y ago
  In a community where skepticism is valued there will exist the lazy quota who will look at popular opinion, assume the antithesis must be true and in turn, begin looking for supporting 'facts'. Don't be so surprised. :P
  - midas007 13y ago
    Oh, like publishing in academia.
- midas007 13y ago
  Without facts and critical-thinking skills, the hobgoblins take over.
- ryguytilidie 13y ago
  You are threatening to "proclaim that the tin foil hat brigade has now thorougly infiltrated HN." based on one single post made by one person in a community of thousands? Did you go to a school specifically to learn how to create logic this poor?
anigbrowl 13y ago
[citation needed]
cscurmudgeon 13y ago
And we are ruled by space lizards.

shirkey 13y ago

If you think that the concern about DEA and SWAT can be easily dismissed, consider that SWAT teams regularly get involved in serving warrants for non-violent crimes -- in 1995, 3 out of 4 SWAT raids were based on drug warrants alone... and mistakes on those warrants can be made repeatedly: "Perhaps no one was more victimized by the battlefield mentality that had set in at the NYPD than Walter and Rose Martin. The Brooklyn couple, both in their eighties, were wrongly raided more than fifty times between 2002 and 2010. The couple filed numerous complaints with the police department. They wrote letters to Mayor Michael Bloomberg and NYPD commissioner Ray Kelly. They were ignored. In 2007 they at least got someone at the NYPD to try to wipe their address out of the department’s computer system. But the raids continued. It wasn’t until the couple went to the media in 2010 that the city finally looked into the problem. Back in 2002, someone had used the Martins’ address as a dummy address to test the department’s new computer system. When the new system was implemented, no one removed their address. So anytime NYPD cops in certain precincts used the system for a warrant and forgot to remove the dummy address to put in the correct one, the police would end up at the Martins’ door."[1] [1] http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas-ebook/dp/B00B3M3UFQ http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americ...