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No one seems to talk about where these girls are being pulled from, as if labor shifts don't have two sides. What often seems to happen in initiatives like thi

No one seems to talk about where these girls are being pulled from, as if labor shifts don't have two sides. What often seems to happen in initiatives like this is that all the sectors which decide they need higher female participation end up fighting over the same pool of "high-achieving" (high IQ, upper class, family connections) individuals. "We need to shift women from MBA programs into comp sci master's programs" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

crassus 13y ago
Keep in mind, too, that female unemployment is lower than male unemployment. Your average female in the labor force has more options than your average male.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
  "eh" The rates looked to be tracking pretty closely until the housing bubble burst: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/womens-unemployment-surpasses-mens/ http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/womens-unemploy...
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > Keep in mind, too, that female unemployment is lower than male unemployment. Your average female in the labor force has more options than your average male. A society which views it as more acceptable for women to opt-out of the labor force may distort this: when employment becomes less scarce, women may be more likely to opt-out of the labor force -- since unemployment measures (actively looking for work) / (employed + actively looking for work), people dropping out of the active labor force when out of work shows up as lower unemployment, but it doesn't mean "more options" for those in the labor force.
  - erichocean 13y ago
    when employment becomes less scarce, women may be more likely to opt-out of the labor force We've been in that situation for 5 years in the US. What you're describing did not happen—declines in labor participation among men still exceed women by a significant amount. One explanation I've heard is that since women earn less, but do "the same" work, it's cheaper to keep them on vs. men. I have no idea if that's correct or not, or if it is, explains the difference.

crassus 13y ago

Keep in mind, too, that female unemployment is lower than male unemployment. Your average female in the labor force has more options than your average male.

GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
"eh" The rates looked to be tracking pretty closely until the housing bubble burst: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/womens-unemployment-surpasses-mens/ http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/womens-unemploy...
dragonwriter 13y ago
> Keep in mind, too, that female unemployment is lower than male unemployment. Your average female in the labor force has more options than your average male. A society which views it as more acceptable for women to opt-out of the labor force may distort this: when employment becomes less scarce, women may be more likely to opt-out of the labor force -- since unemployment measures (actively looking for work) / (employed + actively looking for work), people dropping out of the active labor force when out of work shows up as lower unemployment, but it doesn't mean "more options" for those in the labor force.
- erichocean 13y ago
  when employment becomes less scarce, women may be more likely to opt-out of the labor force We've been in that situation for 5 years in the US. What you're describing did not happen—declines in labor participation among men still exceed women by a significant amount. One explanation I've heard is that since women earn less, but do "the same" work, it's cheaper to keep them on vs. men. I have no idea if that's correct or not, or if it is, explains the difference.