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"Back in October, the French government mentioned this piece of legislation as these new services would hurt traditional cab drivers." So? That's how the marke

by mehphp 13y ago

"Back in October, the French government mentioned this piece of legislation as these new services would hurt traditional cab drivers." So? That's how the market and progress works. If a service can't stand up on it's own, it doesn't need to exist.

thenmar 13y ago
What a meaningless platitude. The world isn't quite as simple as that.
- randyrand 13y ago
  Sure, but in regards to creative destruction it is almost always true in my experience.
- RBerenguel 13y ago
  Every time I see an Uber post related to Europe I wonder if in the US taxis don't need to pay the outrageous license fees (in addition to a whole lot of other things, like freelance income taxes.) It seems very beautiful on the outside, but in the end it seems like the service offered is a way for people to earn money without passing through the same hoops as others do. Seen from afar it seems innovation, but think again. It's unskilled people being paid for (what is usually) highly skilled work. Yes, I mean driving someone to a place.
  - Crito 13y ago
    > Every time I see an Uber post related to Europe I wonder if in the US taxis don't need to pay the outrageous license fees (in addition to a whole lot of other things, like freelance income taxes.) A single NYC taxi medallion goes for millions of dollars: http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/about/average_medallion_price.shtml http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/about/average_medallion_pri... Most Taxi drivers have to rent one; which is not cheap. The medallion owners get to sit on their asses in rake in the cash. Your concern is misplaced.
    - RBerenguel 13y ago
      I have read an article or two on NYC medallions, and obviously it's an aberration of a system. In Spain (for instance) you "just" need a license (either purchased second hand or new if there are new ones coming.) I think renting them is prohibited by law.
  - tjohns 13y ago
    As mentioned by Crito, the taxi medallion system exists here, and it's a terribly broken system for everyone involved except, perhaps, the Taxi companies. A NYC taxi medallion can cost millions of dollars. That said... the Uber black car drivers are licensed, only as private limo drivers rather than taxi drivers. They're not allowed to accept street hails. (Before smartphones, this meant having an advance reservation in place.) They're perfectly qualified to drive passengers. And unlike most regular taxis I've experienced in the SF bay, Uber drivers aren't on their cell phone during the entire drive, so they're arguably safer drivers.
- ak217 13y ago
  The real world is quite as simple as that. Whatever roadblocks the government has put in the way are better implemented elsewhere (through social safety nets, retraining, etc.) You might have a point when different industries with different built-in subsidies compete (taxis vs. buses or trains vs. planes). That's not the case here.
onebaddude 13y ago
>If a service can't stand up on it's own, it doesn't need to exist. Ask the people who were priced out of transportation due to surge pricing what they think of the situation. Now imagine if Uber had driven all regulated taxis out of business and people were forced to pay exorbitant surge-pricing fees. I'm not really against Uber or this strategy, but the "market" doesn't always sort things out fairly.

by mehphp 13y ago

thenmar 13y ago

What a meaningless platitude. The world isn't quite as simple as that.

randyrand 13y ago
Sure, but in regards to creative destruction it is almost always true in my experience.
RBerenguel 13y ago
Every time I see an Uber post related to Europe I wonder if in the US taxis don't need to pay the outrageous license fees (in addition to a whole lot of other things, like freelance income taxes.) It seems very beautiful on the outside, but in the end it seems like the service offered is a way for people to earn money without passing through the same hoops as others do. Seen from afar it seems innovation, but think again. It's unskilled people being paid for (what is usually) highly skilled work. Yes, I mean driving someone to a place.
- Crito 13y ago
  > Every time I see an Uber post related to Europe I wonder if in the US taxis don't need to pay the outrageous license fees (in addition to a whole lot of other things, like freelance income taxes.) A single NYC taxi medallion goes for millions of dollars: http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/about/average_medallion_price.shtml http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/about/average_medallion_pri... Most Taxi drivers have to rent one; which is not cheap. The medallion owners get to sit on their asses in rake in the cash. Your concern is misplaced.
  - RBerenguel 13y ago
    I have read an article or two on NYC medallions, and obviously it's an aberration of a system. In Spain (for instance) you "just" need a license (either purchased second hand or new if there are new ones coming.) I think renting them is prohibited by law.
- tjohns 13y ago
  As mentioned by Crito, the taxi medallion system exists here, and it's a terribly broken system for everyone involved except, perhaps, the Taxi companies. A NYC taxi medallion can cost millions of dollars. That said... the Uber black car drivers are licensed, only as private limo drivers rather than taxi drivers. They're not allowed to accept street hails. (Before smartphones, this meant having an advance reservation in place.) They're perfectly qualified to drive passengers. And unlike most regular taxis I've experienced in the SF bay, Uber drivers aren't on their cell phone during the entire drive, so they're arguably safer drivers.
ak217 13y ago
The real world is quite as simple as that. Whatever roadblocks the government has put in the way are better implemented elsewhere (through social safety nets, retraining, etc.) You might have a point when different industries with different built-in subsidies compete (taxis vs. buses or trains vs. planes). That's not the case here.

onebaddude 13y ago

>If a service can't stand up on it's own, it doesn't need to exist. Ask the people who were priced out of transportation due to surge pricing what they think of the situation. Now imagine if Uber had driven all regulated taxis out of business and people were forced to pay exorbitant surge-pricing fees. I'm not really against Uber or this strategy, but the "market" doesn't always sort things out fairly.