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>They are teaching children a skill. If that really bothers you, take a minute to reflect on yourself. It's not the teaching of the skill in itself that is pro
by yetanotherphd 13y ago
>They are teaching children a skill. If that really bothers you, take a minute to reflect on yourself.
It's not the teaching of the skill in itself that is problematic, or even (in my opinion) the attempt to make up for various sources of disadvantage.
What I object to is the idea that it is of great importance to eliminate racial and gender disparities, or that our society is incredibly bad because these disparities exist. This idea is what drives articles like this to the front page of HN.
Racial and gender disparities exist for a number of reasons, not simply the oppression of one group by another. Different groups have different cultures, interests and possibly innate abilities. I don't think anyone here would want to instantly eliminate the cultural differences between Black and White people.
The claim that the differences between groups are solely attributable to disadvantage and oppression is simply a claim. It is backed up by nothing but moralizing and posturing (note the number of posts here disparaging White "kids").
I also don't think that it is possible to entirely eliminate the disadvantage that minority groups often suffer, simply because people by nature tend to favor people who are similar to themselves, by any measure. I certainly wouldn't consider it wise to go to a random country, say Israel, and mandate that all cultures and viewpoints were to have equal status in that country, and that the majority would have to give up on all aspects of their culture that were not sufficiently inclusive or friendly to minorities.
- countrybama24 13y agoAh, the classic appeal to "innate abilities" and "culture" to explain why an oppressed group is disadvantaged. I guess you're asking an epistemogical question of how we can ever really "know" if oppression (slavery, sexual violence, genocide, idk how much history you've read) would explain inequality upon those lines. I don't know the answer, but I'm probably gonna go with occams razer on this one.
- yetanotherphd 13y agoAs you imply, it is a very difficult question to answer. But isn't cultural variation often used to explain the advantageous social and economic position of Jews and East Asians in American society? And if cultural variation can explain this, is there some in principal reason why it cannot also explain disadvantage? Again, I am not saying it explains all disadvantage that Blacks experience, just that I do not think oppression explains all of this disadvantage either.
- dragonwriter 13y agoCultural variation is often circumstance driven; and centuries of de jure oppression is a pretty significant contributor to black culture in America. So throwing out "cultural variation" doesn't necessarily provide an alternative to oppression as an explanation so much as an explanation for one of the mechanisms by which oppression explains disadvantage.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago"Cultural variation" used to explain why Jews were such good basketball players.